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#1 allie

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Posted 22 August 2007 - 03:36 PM

Hi I wonder if anyone can give me some advice. My 6 year old son has ASD and I'm really struggling with his violent outbursts. He has always been violent but is now getting so big and strong that I worry about the saftey of my other son - 4 years old. His doctor has said that she doesn't want to put him on any meds because of his age and although I am in agreement I also feel that I need to try anything as I'm at my wits end!! Any advice on non medication things that will help with the violence.
This is my first time on here so appologies if I have done anything incorrect in my post etc.

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Posted 22 August 2007 - 04:01 PM

Hi and Welcome to the forum hug.gif
My son is 6 asd too and untill recently he had very violent outbursts and he is so strong it was very difficult to deal with so i do understand how your feeling. It got to the stage where i was considering meds too. Luckily my son was placed in a asd school (unit) and since then has come on leaps and bounds and hasnt (touch wood!!) been violent towards me or his dad for a good few months now. What i didnt realise was that he was very unhappy at school and was coming home and taking it out on us, but of course he couldnt explain what was wrong and i never once got the feeling he was unhappy at school. Not that im saying this is the case for your son but i think this was part of my sons problem.
Can you think of anything that triggers his behavior and try and difuse it before it starts (easier said than done i know)? My son used to start getting agittated first and i would know he was going have a meltdown so id try and get everyone out of his way and anything he could throw, also i found if i spoke softly to him and said "comon come here whats the matter etc and gave him overboard sympathy that would help sometimes!!
Im sorry but i dont have any suggestions on herble medication but my son does have melatonin to help him sleep at night which im sure has helped with his outbursts too as when he is tried he is much worse. There are some wonderful people on the forum and im sure they will be able to give you some better advice.

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Posted 22 August 2007 - 04:18 PM

Thanks so much Brooke, I think one of the nicest things about finding this forum is realizing that I'm not the only one out there that is going through all of this. My son only moved to his new school in feb. We had to remove him from his last school as they were useless, and yes he was very unhappy there and his meltdowns were far more common. He seems to love his new school, but struggles so much in the school holidays without his normal routine. 6 weeks is just too long!!! I will watch out for any signs that a melt down is on its way, and see if I can calm him enough. Will keep you updated - thanks.
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Posted 22 August 2007 - 04:33 PM

Hi Allie,
You could try some form of reward system to praise and encourage his good behavior. which in turn might decrease the violent outbursts gratually so that he learns to have some control over them. Its very hard to watch and especially when he takes it out on younger siblings. Good luck and I hope someone can offer you more help.
A row has exploded here got to go!

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Posted 22 August 2007 - 04:55 PM

yes i find this forum a godsend as everyone understands even some of my own family dont so its nice to come on here. My son started his new school in Jan and calmed down in about march but he has switched to hitting his younger brothers all the time which is very upsetting but its difficult to know whats "normal" and whats down to asd. Not long to go now untill they are back at school phew!!
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Posted 22 August 2007 - 06:59 PM

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its difficult to know whats "normal" and whats down to asd. Not long to go now untill they are back at school phew!!


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Posted 24 August 2007 - 12:17 PM

Between the age of 6/7 i started DS on (eye q liquid fish oil) within 4 to 6 months i was amazed at the change in his behaviour. He became more tuned in and he could sit for longer periods before having to get up and moving. His school work show he was concentrating better in the class. It took time and while all this was happening i was afraid to talk about his changes in case i was the only person able to see any good in him. The end of the school year awards ceremony proved he was making fantastic progress (and i was in tears). I still am not 100% sure that it was the fish oil, but at the time i was at the end of my tether with his behaviour, later i read somewhere that around the age of 7 years a child's body can change its self. Anyway something changed the course he was on for the better! This i am truly thankful for.
(the biggest problem was getting the fish oil into him this required bribery at the beginning)

It is also very good for all children! Formulated to help maintain eye and brain function.

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Posted 24 August 2007 - 05:30 PM

Thanks wishing well, I'll definitly give it a go - willing to try anything at the moment. And yes I can forsee lots of bribery being offered whistle.gif
Was reading on the NAS website yesterday about vitamin B6 and magnisium(spelling?) but got really confused tearful.gif about the dosage etc. Have any of you tried these?

Got to say thank you to all of you on this forum, its been like a lifeline to me, so please I came across it hug.gif

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 07:00 AM

My son is 13 around 2 years ago i totally altered his diet.

I cut out all processed food,tinned foods,white bread,fizzy pop,sugar,salt ,crisps basically ###### and made him eat fresh.It worked bloomeing wonders with his mood,his bowels everything.It was amazeing.

Its not a cure for aspergers but it realy realy aleviated the symptoms .Its not easy to implement and we didnt do it all at once it took a good year to cut out foods and get him to eat different things.He still has the odd biscuite and the odd bar of chocalate once a week after all he is a kid.But 99 per cent of the time hes on the good stuff.

Its something the whole family do not just him its easier that way it worked wonders with my stroppy teenage NT daughter also.

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 10:12 AM

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This sounds great something we could all benefit from. I keep trying but never am able to keep it up, wish you would come to my house and help for a month. I could learn lots!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 08:06 AM

Its to become part of youre life wishingwell the diet everyones got to do it.

Off course we still occasionally go out for fish and chips you only live once .but im certaine food plays a part in makeing the behaviours worse.

Just before my son broke up from school his school bus escort gave him a load of highly coloured cra**y sweets something he never ever has.with in 10 minutes of him eating these he was wild,bad tempered,ranting aggressive and in meltdown somehting wed not witnessed for a while.It proved to me that im doing the right thing.

Not saying it would work for all the kids but it worked for us.

My son will always be an aspie i know that,hell always be awkward and stubborn.but by being on what i beleive is the right food hes not as extreame in his moods and hes able to listen and hear me better and think more about what hes doing.

Even his teachers at school noticed a big difference in him and asked what wed done they thought wed shoved him on medication but hes never been medicated.

I also suffer from Bi polar disorder and ive not had an episode of the illness either for 4 years due to the food.I no longer medicate for this condition either.

Its got to be worth a go.

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 08:13 AM

Thanks for the idea Puala. C has been on a dairy free diet since he was 2, and we noticed a huge diffrence there. Even now if he has anything with milk in he will get aggressive, won't listen to anything and is just 'climbing the walls.'
I try to be sensible with both the kids foods but after reading your post I know I could do so much better. Will definitly give it a go - wish me luck biggrin.gif

Any of the kids fav recipes that you would share with us notworthy.gif

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Posted 30 August 2007 - 04:03 PM

My son enjoys rice milk or oat milk with a banna whisked up in it he loves that.


I also make my own soup.

My son enjoys leaks chopped up with sweet potatoe.Boile it up untill soft in a pan of water then i just whisk it/blend together he enjoys that.Its a way of getting veg into him.He eats brocallit,cauliflower carrots alsorts choped boiled and blended up in the same way,None of the goodness is lost either casue there haveing the water in the home made soup.


He eats prawns and also enjoys home made fish cakes.I use smoked haddock i cook this then boile up a sweet potatoe mash and misk with the flaked fish shape,cool and then brown of in a pan.

Smoothies made from fresh fruite are a goody also.

He only has whole meal bread,or wholemeal pittas,i fill these with tuna no mayonaise or anything and he eats that.

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Posted 30 August 2007 - 04:05 PM

Thanks Paula,
Will definitly be giving them a go
Allie x




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