question about asd and behavior

[hedders]

i notice that when my dd watch others she repeats their behaviour example:

i had my neice over night and for the past week she has the travel cot in her room and roleplays what i did with her little sister and has sleep in the travel cot for 2 nights.

friend over and they picked blackberriers in the garden for the past 2 months she still does the same put bags on her feet like she did with friend.

running to a tree after school with friend she did this for 2 weeks on her own.

 

in her school report the communtiy paed. argued with me that people with asd dont copy,share or take turns

is this true?

if she is watching others and following what they do sometimes in the classroom is this coping?

i know that when she does plays on her own she doesnt like people joining in .

[Brook]

hedder,

 

just my tuppence worth, but what you have described sounds to me like they have turned into

more like routines/rituals.

 

Brook

[hedders]

is this related to asd?

is it repetetive behaviour?

can this be dominent in normal child development?

[board]

hello my dd6 just had dx aspergers on the 12april so they tested her for a lot of other things as well she ticked all the box for aspergers they said they couldnt understand how she managed then they watched her and found out that she copyed the other children but they allso said that when the other children were nourty she would copy them and have a row and she could not understand why when she was only doing what they were doing they said its her why of couping and trying to be the same as the other chilren its so hard for her she is good in school but when she comes home look out she is just sarting social and emotional awareness class to help here all the best jill

[smiley]

Hiya

 

Just my spin on things - can only go by what my son does...

 

ALL of my sons play is copied, either from a book, tv or radio etc..... He will copy conversations he's overheard (alot of his speech is Echolalia - http://www.cesa7.k12.wi.us/sped/autism/verbal/verbal11.html).

 

He becomes upset if anyone tries to 'change' his game - as most children do whilst playing.

 

We have been through phases of him copying friends play, behaviour and accent ( !!).

 

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[openyoureyes]

HI Hedders

 

both my 2 sons youngest 6 dx asd and 12yrs dx aspergers both copy/immitate, especially the youngest. He copies how his friends speak down to a tee and I know which friend he is being by his actions and voice, hes brilliant at it.

 

In play I believe that both my sons copy other childrens behaviour rather than actually making up play on there own.

 

My youngest said the other day that he likes to play on his own in the playground, when I asked him why he does not play with other children he just said, I like playing on my own, it dosnt' bother me. I get the feeling that there play is too difficult for him to understand therefore playing on his own seems a much better option. Shame really as I would like to think that the teachers at school would help out with this, but he seems happy enough and likes to invite his school friends home, but when he does he either copies them, following exactly what they do or just leaves them and goes to play on his own anyway.

 

I cannot belive that you have been told that ASD children cannot copy, its seems to me that all there play is copied.

[KarenT]

I think there's a difference between copying actions/behaviour per se and learning to apply skills from copying others. Something to do with mirror neurons (though I admit I know little about the subject and really should read more - when I get the time). An example would be one person watching another solving a problem then being able to take that observation and apply the skills learned to other similar situations.

 

So the first - copying actions and behaviour - is common in children with ASDs whereas the latter - learning from observation - is often (usually) lacking.

 

Those who know better can shoot me down in flames now. I look forward to be enlightened.

 

Karen

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[Elanor]

in her school report the communtiy paed. argued with me that people with asd dont copy,share or take turns

is this true?

 

 

This is a good example of the lack of real understanding of AS within the 'expert' community. There are degrees of functionality - people with ASD might have difficulties, or even abnormalities, in areas such as copying, sharing or taking turns, but it's sheer ignorance to suggest that they can't do these things.

 

Elanor

[cmuir]

Hi

 

One thing that gets me quite cross is so-called specialists or health care people insisting that any child on the spectrum has to do this, that and the next thing. For example, my son has AS, yet he rarely lines up toys, his eye contact is variable from appropriate to completely inappropriate, he can be affectionate, and he can have a great imagination. Ticking every box on their checklist isn't necessary and it's down to their inexperience if they insist on it. Of course, another factor is that when you get a diagnosis it costs the state money in terms of education, health care, and DLA! Cynical maybe - but true!!! A parent gets a sense when something isn't right and my advice is that if you have that gut-feeling persist no matter what anyone says.

 

Best wishes

 

Caroline.

[Karen A]

i notice that when my dd watch others she repeats their behaviour example:

i had my neice over night and for the past week she has the travel cot in her room and roleplays what i did with her little sister and has sleep in the travel cot for 2 nights.

friend over and they picked blackberriers in the garden for the past 2 months she still does the same put bags on her feet like she did with friend.

running to a tree after school with friend she did this for 2 weeks on her own.

 

in her school report the communtiy paed. argued with me that people with asd dont copy,share or take turns

is this true?

if she is watching others and following what they do sometimes in the classroom is this coping?

i know that when she does plays on her own she doesnt like people joining in .

 

Ben does copy.I have watched him look at other people and imitate them as a way of managing a situation.The specialist SALT who did his ADOS noted during the test that he copied her rather than using his imagination to come up with a story of his own-this was as evidence of Asperger syndrome.So I have to disagree with the view that people with ASD don't copy.Karen

Edited September 21, 2006 by Karen A

[OPooh]

My son copies whole conversations to try and fit in.

[hedders]

Went to the gp yesterday didnt know to cry or laugh at her face.

She recieved the letter about younger dd from her salt saying she has delayed repetetive speech,and doesnt think she understands much, and info about me saying she displays repetetive behaviour and sensory issues and being referred to a paed.

I told the gp she displays all the same diffculties as her sister and the ot suspects sensory intergration disorder, and i wanted her referred to a child psychologist.

 

The gp replied well the paed would of picked up on this, but she hasnt i think your too anxious and imanaging it all!!!

I said the paed told me she has special needs but because the school lack experience and said she has no diffculites the pead. said shes discharged, and also because her salt watched her in class for 10min and said she had no diffculties.

Its a shame they dont watch her in the play ground as she says she doesnt like their games and plays on her own.

The gp also said how can the ot tell if she has sensory intergration disorder? this sounds like its all coming from you!!!!!

So bascially the school has labelled her a slow learner with no diffculties, but went to the senco for jigsaw puzzles last week?

And iam the cause of the problems cant cope and told to go on a Webster Stratton Course.

 

They all make me laugh so much

how did they all get these jobs!!!!

[Elanor]

Hedders

 

I wish I could say I was shocked - but this is a horribly common story. DO NOT allow yourself to be fobbed off by the GP - you need the referral to a child psychiatrist, and he's got no right to stand in your way on the basis of prejudice. Demand a second opinion - and complain all the way if you don't get that referral.

 

Elanor

[OPooh]

I hate how they "observe" for 10 minutes and say all is fine. Woman who "observed" my son was going to go away and say all was fine but luckily I also got the opportunity to talk to her and he's now in the process of a long medical assessment which is looking like he is going to get an ASD diagnosis at the end.

 

Don't let them ever convince you it's you <'>

[Karen A]

Went to the gp yesterday didnt know to cry or laugh at her face.

She recieved the letter about younger dd from her salt saying she has delayed repetetive speech,and doesnt think she understands much, and info about me saying she displays repetetive behaviour and sensory issues and being referred to a paed.

I told the gp she displays all the same diffculties as her sister and the ot suspects sensory intergration disorder, and i wanted her referred to a child psychologist.

 

The gp replied well the paed would of picked up on this, but she hasnt i think your too anxious and imanaging it all!!!

I said the paed told me she has special needs but because the school lack experience and said she has no diffculites the pead. said shes discharged, and also because her salt watched her in class for 10min and said she had no diffculties.

Its a shame they dont watch her in the play ground as she says she doesnt like their games and plays on her own.

The gp also said how can the ot tell if she has sensory intergration disorder? this sounds like its all coming from you!!!!!

So bascially the school has labelled her a slow learner with no diffculties, but went to the senco for jigsaw puzzles last week?

And iam the cause of the problems cant cope and told to go on a Webster Stratton Course.

 

They all make me laugh so much

how did they all get these jobs!!!!

On your behalf.I had to post you a message to respond to Gp comment re how the Ot can tell if she has sensory integration disorder....... :blink:they can tell because that is what they are trained and qualified to do--unlike Gps or school professionals who will have minimal awareness of what is a very specialist area.Karen