Desperate mum in new suicide bid.

[onlycrazygal]

this is indeed such a very sad example of two people stuck in an impossible situation.

coping for all those years , i can only imagine how weary they both felt/feel....

im struggling against the negative aspect of this as i ask myself how many more people

must we read about before something is done and some REAL money is put into place.....

im seriously worried about my sons future, and my own too....

this story fills me with anger, what the hell ever happened to humanity and compassion for

goodness sake.....its all down to money, no wonder they seek to take my son,

the foster carer will recieve aprox �400- 550 per week to care for my son, why cant they give me that money and he would get all the help he could ever need ???

just to touch on what oracle says, msbp is found in aprox 5......yes 5 people in britain per year, so why oh why do we have 22,000 children in care due to msbp related accusations.

their is something gravely wrong with the system when the entities that are paid and put into place to protect our children are the very people that abuse our children......

emotional/physical abuse is rife in care and a child doesnt even have to go that far , they just simply have to be defective in their eyes in some way, disabled, blind, mentally retarded ,

deaf, have learning difficulties you name it.....

seems to me if your child isnt perfect and doesnt fit in with the click, they are victimised along with their parents, i too have read other parents horror stories and know better than to try and justify the actions of those in authority that simply do not care....

hugs,

paula

[mrs phasmid]

Munchausen's by proxy does exist as a medical condition or at least as a symptom of a personality disorder. Beverley Allitt allegedly has it. I don't think Professor Meadows 'invented' it as such but diagnosed it incorrectly in the cases of the mothers accused of killing their babies. The media hype that followed those cases seemed to suggest MBP doesn't exist which was incorrect reporting and harmful to those children whose carers have MBP

 

Lx

 

look here

 

link

 

i think you'll find he most certainly did invent it in a paper in 1977

and to quote

 

"Earlier this year Lord Howe, the Shadow spokesman for health in the House of Lords, delivered a scathing attack on Meadow, calling MSBP "one of the most pernicious and ill-founded theories to have gained currency in childcare and social services in the past 10 to 15 years. It is a theory without science. There is no body of peer-reviewed research to underpin MSBP. It rests instead on the assertions of its inventor. When challenged to produce his research papers to justify his original findings, the inventor of MSBP stated, if you please, that he had destroyed them".

 

"Other medical experts criticise Meadow for "cherry-picking' the facts and for "fitting the evidence into a diagnosis". As GP Dr Mark Struthers so aptly asked: "When are paediatricians, particularly those enthusiasts for MSBP, going to get the message? When are these individuals themselves going to acknowledge their mistakes, accept the blame, show contrition, apologise and make amends?"

 

isnt it amazing how this man can be so discredited, but still be quoted as an expert on msbp. anyone can be an expert on something THEY invent after all

Edited October 18, 2006 by mrs phasmid

[bid]

I don't think anyone is 'sucking up' to anyone else??

 

From reading this thread, it just appears that people are expressing differing opinions.

 

Bid

[badonkadonk]

Me neither Bid.

 

I certainly hope the reference isn't to me just because I was quoted in the post? I didn't think so intially but now I'm not so sure because surely no one can attribute me to "sucking up" to anyone.

 

Well obviously people can, but they would be liars if they did so.

 

I simply posted those links so that people could get as balanced view on the situation as I did when I read them. You listen to the mother and you think, god, this is what happened then and you read the daughter's story and think, so THIS is what happened then when truth be told....who knows what happened! And this is the point I tried to make initially, there is no real point in arguing over who is to blame or who did what because cleary the real story is not being told.

 

The main gripe I had and still have is with the use of AS in this whole thing and the ignorant nature in which it's being portrayed. How this can be misconstrued as sucking up to anyone is beyond me especially as I have Aspegers myself and so would then, logically, be sucking up to myself which I don't think I would do because I have a brain.

 

I think, honestly, people should quit wasting time in this thread going back and forth over whether it's the mother or daughter who is right/wrong. By all means I think it is an interesting topic to discuss, but the discussion shouldn't turn into a slanging match over the status of these peoples' mental health. Also, considering that this is a forum called Asperger and ASD UK Online Forum, I do find it a bit odd that few else are seemingly bothered about the bad rap AS is getting in all of this.

 

Maybe I'm just more defensive about it because I have AS, but as parents or partners of people with AS or Autism the concern should be shared equally between everyone who visits this forum, not just those of us with an ASD. Granted I'm not saying that the strongness that I feel about this concern should be shared, but a little bit should be felt by all. Do you really want people out there thinking that your son or daughter or husband or wife or you, yourself, is some sort of monster? I'm not a monster. There is enough ignorance out there about AS, as demonstrated in the abhorent reporting by the media on this matter, that here, on this forum at least, it should be acknowledged when people are incorrectly commenting on AS so that people on here who perhaps aren't as educated about AS as others on here, can come here and find out the correct information, the right information and not have to read the half ass lies printed in the media about what AS is or isn't.

 

I feel now, sat here shaking and close to tears, that you guys are missing the point of this story. It is not about who you feel more empathy for in this situation. There shouldn't be a need to defend the mother because you're a mother yourself with a disabled child, just as I'm not defending the daughter because she might or might not have AS. I'm defending AS, not the daughter, I don't know two hoots about her.

 

Maybe I'm missing the point of this forum.

 

Emily

xxx

[bid]

Oh Emily <'> <'> <'>

 

I agree with everything you have said <'>

 

Please don't feel so bad My dad had AS, my son has AS and I've been referred myself...I have never felt those kinds of negative things about either my dad or my son, and I hope no-one has ever felt them about me (although I can't be sure, of course).

 

Bid <'>

[baddad]

Hi badonkadonk <'> (and i still think you nicked that name from a Missy Elliot lyric! )

 

No, you haven't missed the point... this site is all about sharing all views/perspectives on autism, and I hope it always will be...

Sometimes, when people have strong views, things can get a little heated. God knows - I'm no stranger to a bit of controversy myself

Keep posting. Your input (as is everyone elses) is greatly valued here, and your personal insights as someone on the spectrum are hugely valuable to all of us, as i hope our 'NT' perspectives may be to you...

 

L&P

 

BD

 

(NB: I saw a Missy elliot vid on tiscali for her new single... after that godawful last album the single was brilliant, even if it doesn't contain the 'badonkadonkdonk' lyric! )

[mrs phasmid]

no baddonkadonk, absolutely not. i merely used your post as it contained a reference to the daily mail, which certain people on his forum demonize, please note forum not thread, unless it is for their own good. i am sorry if this particular comment i made, which has been quoted out of context, has made YOU feel bad, that certainly wasnt MY intent. i could have used another quote mentioning another magazine but i didnt. i therefore unreservedly apologise that YOU have been MADE to feel bad.

 

as far as i can see there are only 3 people who actually truly know what went on in this family. 1 is dead, 1 is unremmitting in her determination to kill herself and 1 believes they did nothing wrong and whatever happens it isn't their fault. i certainly have no comment to make on that as i am not one of the 3. i do however make a point of believing very little that is reported in the newspapers as they are there to make a profit and the truth is often not thrilling enough to allow them to do that. whether that is true in this case remains to be seen.

 

i may or may not choose to watch this programme and i may or maynot sympathise with one party or another, that is for me to decide. i certainly would not make any comment on content,context or allegations contained therein without knowing the full truthful facts however.

 

i would be interested, as a human being, in why you believe that as needs defending in general, and if you would like to pm me with your views, as i personally feel this would not be the place to do it, you may have differing views however, and of course i respect that, we could have a civilised ,healthy discussion of your views on as from an as perspective. for me that would be far more enlightening than any dramatisation of a 'true?' story could ever be

[florrie]

I would just like to add that it is actually not that long ago where autism was believed to be caused by cold parenting skills, and when people are busy making judgements on others, it might be helpful to remember that, it is not helpful to make these kinds of judgements on people, and I agree with Mrs phasmid, I don't believe everything that is written in papers or magazines, stories are sensationalised to sell papers and magazines to make money. no one actually knows the full story and it may have many sides to it including those we don't even know about, then again it might not. Also i don't wish to upset anyone here that has strong views on it, this is just my view.

[noogsy]

i have read both sides ,thanks to the people who put up the links.i have to say it all reads a bit oddly.i have taken my child to his gp then camhs.he was saw by a psycologist and a prescribing nurse who specialises in adhd and all the co morbids.that was it.very clear.not being dragged around for years.after reading both accounts i feel that the mother and daughter have asd........ i understand obsession.........i understand not being belived.........i understand being driven..........i suspect the mother has asd.........and the daughter learning difficulties possible asd.....was the mother spending on herself and blaming the daughter....was she pulling the wool over her poor old hubbys eyes..... a very sad story...after reading both stories i think i can just about see what has happened.....WHY CANT THE DOCTORS UNTANGLE THE MESS....and work out what is wrong...noogsy

[badonkadonk]

Thanks Bid and Baddad,

 

It's nice to know that I'm not getting this forum thingy all wrong

 

I guess, due to the nature of my black and white thinking, that I don't really get debates. I've looked through all the articles and responses on here and can see the conclusion that most people are gonna reach of "we just don't know" and therefore see little point in discussing the possibilities of what mental disability the daughter might or might not have or the mental health of the mother. But I know, deep down, that a lot of other people don't think like that and will see the point in discussing the ins and outs, without knowing for sure, because it's what some NT people do lol.

 

I think sometimes I just want everyone to catch up and get to the conclusion also and stop 'arguing' as I call it, 'debating' as everyone else calls it!! I don't like it when people get angry at other people over things that neither knows everything about. Thinking from an Aspie perspective, it's a really illogical waste of time lol. But again, I can understand how from an NT perspective things are different. It's getting my head around the fact that, even though at the end of the day no one knows the answer/right conclusion, some people will still want to talk about it and others will believe that they know the right conclusion even though they don't really because no one does apart from the family and the support people working directly with the family.

 

I hope that makes some sense, it's hard to make sense in my writing when I'm struggling to make sense of what I'm writing about lol.

 

Mrs Phasmid, firstly thanks for your apology. Like I said in the first instance I didn't think you were at all referring to me, I just got a bit muddled looking back at it because I'm still fairly new to this forum and haven't seen the responses to the Daily Mail that you have so I didn't know who you were referring to and by process of elimination through the posts on this thread, put three and two together and came up with six. So I apologise to you.

 

However, I do feel that this thread is the right place for me to say that I think AS needs defending because it is in this instance that AS needs defending. In the articles I have read on this subject AS is referred to as something to "suffer" from, it is referred to as an "illness" and is discussed as being an aspect of someones "mental health". It is none of these things. I do not suffer from an illness and my mental health, apart from some depression caused by possibly having Polycystic Ovaries (which is nothing to do with autism), is fine. I do not have anything that needs curing or psychological treatment. I have a mental disability.

 

Unfortunately this misguided referencing of AS seems to be common place and this is why AS needs defending in general as so.....people who do not know what AS is or the full extent of what AS is report/talk about AS in the media whether it be newspapers, radio interviews, tv interviews and in books etc. In order to educate people as to the true nature of AS, AS needs to be 'defended' in these cases. And by 'defended' I mean, the correct terminology and nature of AS be made clear in ways that will educate these people and the general public. That is why, in my opinion, a forum dealing with Aspergers and ASDs IS the right place for me to say, look, what they are saying, it isn't what AS is.

 

I'm sorry that I have chosen not to PM you, but, I don't personally believe that I should confine my opinions over why AS needs to be presented to the world in the correct manner to a secret series of PMs between you and myself. Also, as I have said above, I don't see the point in having a debate. If you disagree with what I've said about AS in this thread then that is fair enough and rightfully so you are more than entitled to your own opinion just as everyone else is. But then my point is, if we already know that we don't agree with each other, what is the point in discussing the matter?

 

So, in conclusion, I'm done with this thread lol. I don't want to enter into a debate any further, and if this makes me stubborn so be it, but I'm sure the debate won't suffer just because I won't be popping up every now and again with my sign saying "but what about AS?"

 

Emily

xxx

 

(Baddad, I haven't heard the Missy Elliot single, but I did buy the greatest hits album she released recently. It is fabidooso and I giggle every time she says badonkadonkdonk!)

 

Also, for anyone interested, I updated my blog on Monday with I think my 4th(?) installment, don't quote me on that. You might not be bothered about what I've written, but I have included 3 or 4 pictures I took while at Chester Zoo on Sunday and if you like Giraffes or Orang-utans you might want to take a peek! For those who do read what I write, I think I'm going to keep updating on a Monday, as long as I've got something to say for that week, which, judging by the amount I ramble on here....every Monday it is then.

[bid]

Really glad you're going to be sticking around, Emily <'> and I think you are absolutely right to say what you feel about AS openly on the forum.

 

I would just like to echo everything Baddad has said about this forum too

 

Bid

[florrie]

I just felt qute strongly that some responses were harshly blaming the mother because of an article in a newspaper or magazine and it reminds me of the old thing with austism being caused by cold parenting and that makes me feel very uncomfortable.

[bid]

But then I guess other articles were equally harshly blaming the daughter...

 

And we can all express our different opinions about the story.

 

Bid

[Bagpuss]

I still don't get what all the heated debate is about.....I'm I missing something? I've re-read this thread and the majority of the posts have been to express empathy for what this family have been thru with both the mothers and daughters experiences being highlighted. I'm confused.... Isn't it part and parcel of a forum to have differing opinions and to respect those differences . Nobody is right or wrong in this.......

 

Emily <'> Got to say I've always found your posts really interesting and you have given me a wonderful perspective of AS

[mrs phasmid]

Thanks Bid and Baddad,

 

It's nice to know that I'm not getting this forum thingy all wrong

 

I guess, due to the nature of my black and white thinking, that I don't really get debates. I've looked through all the articles and responses on here and can see the conclusion that most people are gonna reach of "we just don't know" and therefore see little point in discussing the possibilities of what mental disability the daughter might or might not have or the mental health of the mother. But I know, deep down, that a lot of other people don't think like that and will see the point in discussing the ins and outs, without knowing for sure, because it's what some NT people do lol.

 

I think sometimes I just want everyone to catch up and get to the conclusion also and stop 'arguing' as I call it, 'debating' as everyone else calls it!! I don't like it when people get angry at other people over things that neither knows everything about. Thinking from an Aspie perspective, it's a really illogical waste of time lol. But again, I can understand how from an NT perspective things are different. It's getting my head around the fact that, even though at the end of the day no one knows the answer/right conclusion, some people will still want to talk about it and others will believe that they know the right conclusion even though they don't really because no one does apart from the family and the support people working directly with the family.

 

I hope that makes some sense, it's hard to make sense in my writing when I'm struggling to make sense of what I'm writing about lol.

 

i think, from reading this thread you do extremely well, and am certainly glad that you are getting the support that has so sadly been shown to be lacking towards some asd/as 'posters' in the past. only goes to show that noone in this world is to old and set in their ways to change and forums such as this develop and learn along with the people participating

 

Mrs Phasmid, firstly thanks for your apology. Like I said in the first instance I didn't think you were at all referring to me, I just got a bit muddled looking back at it because I'm still fairly new to this forum and haven't seen the responses to the Daily Mail that you have so I didn't know who you were referring to and by process of elimination through the posts on this thread, put three and two together and came up with six. So I apologise to you.

 

no apology needed

 

However, I do feel that this thread is the right place for me to say that I think AS needs defending because it is in this instance that AS needs defending. In the articles I have read on this subject AS is referred to as something to "suffer" from, it is referred to as an "illness" and is discussed as being an aspect of someones "mental health". It is none of these things. I do not suffer from an illness and my mental health, apart from some depression caused by possibly having Polycystic Ovaries (which is nothing to do with autism), is fine. I do not have anything that needs curing or psychological treatment. I have a mental disability.

 

Unfortunately this misguided referencing of AS seems to be common place and this is why AS needs defending in general as so.....people who do not know what AS is or the full extent of what AS is report/talk about AS in the media whether it be newspapers, radio interviews, tv interviews and in books etc. In order to educate people as to the true nature of AS, AS needs to be 'defended' in these cases. And by 'defended' I mean, the correct terminology and nature of AS be made clear in ways that will educate these people and the general public. That is why, in my opinion, a forum dealing with Aspergers and ASDs IS the right place for me to say, look, what they are saying, it isn't what AS is.

 

whilst the powers that be still feel it is fitting for adults with as to come under the mental health team, this will continue to be the case. those who are informed know better but others will continue to see it as a mental illness purely because of whose remit it comes under

 

I'm sorry that I have chosen not to PM you, but, I don't personally believe that I should confine my opinions over why AS needs to be presented to the world in the correct manner to a secret series of PMs between you and myself.

 

i do not believe in secrecy i was merely stating an interest in as from the perspective of an as young adult and did not wish you to feel fettered by the constraints a forum such as this has to have in place. secrecy implies almost a sense of shame should be attached and most people on here would certainly tell you that i certainly do not think that way. as i said before pm or not that is your decision and i fully respect that you have chosen not to

 

 

Also, as I have said above, I don't see the point in having a debate.

 

i didnot ask for a debate but a healthy discussion, i as a nt adult couldnot presume to tell you what is right or wrong. i do not have as and can only hope to learn more from dicussion, not debate, from people such as yourself and my son

 

If you disagree with what I've said about AS in this thread then that is fair enough and rightfully so you are more than entitled to your own opinion just as everyone else is. But then my point is, if we already know that we don't agree with each other, what is the point in discussing the matter?

 

i have never said i do not agree with you, why would you think that, this is the first time i have had a contact with you. i have not read any other posts from you and would never presume to automatically think that i would definately disagree with anything you, or anyone else for that matter, would have to say, i may do so but that would not be an automatic presumption. so why would you think that of me?

if you have been advised, by others, that this is what i would do then there are plenty others on here who would tell you the opposite. as i have said above i wish to learn, not disrespect, i can only do that by listening and discussing, not prejudging and would hope that you personally, without influence, would do me the courtesy of doing the same

 

So, in conclusion, I'm done with this thread lol. I don't want to enter into a debate any further, and if this makes me stubborn so be it, but I'm sure the debate won't suffer just because I won't be popping up every now and again with my sign saying "but what about AS?"

 

although you have said you have done with this thread i hope at least you will do me the courtesy of reading this reply. you felt the need to answer in open forum so i have done the same. if nothing else to show everyone that no secrecy was ever asked for or sought

 

Emily

xxx

 

(Baddad, I haven't heard the Missy Elliot single, but I did buy the greatest hits album she released recently. It is fabidooso and I giggle every time she says badonkadonkdonk!)

 

Also, for anyone interested, I updated my blog on Monday with I think my 4th(?) installment, don't quote me on that. You might not be bothered about what I've written, but I have included 3 or 4 pictures I took while at Chester Zoo on Sunday and if you like Giraffes or Orang-utans you might want to take a peek! For those who do read what I write, I think I'm going to keep updating on a Monday, as long as I've got something to say for that week, which, judging by the amount I ramble on here....every Monday it is then.

[mrs phasmid]

I still don't get what all the heated debate is about.....I'm I missing something? I've re-read this thread and the majority of the posts have been to express empathy for what this family have been thru with both the mothers and daughters experiences being highlighted. I'm confused.... Isn't it part and parcel of a forum to have differing opinions and to respect those differences . Nobody is right or wrong in this.......

 

Emily <'> Got to say I've always found your posts really interesting and you have given me a wonderful perspective of AS

 

exactly bagpuss you've said it all in a nutshell

 

opinions, debate, empathy,sympathy, support, tears, tantrums and differences this is what makes this forum and others like it the fantastic places that they are

[badonkadonk]

*sigh*

 

It seems, I'm back in.

 

This is what I totally wanted to avoid on this Forum. I come on here to chat to others about AS and ASDs, to give advice where I can and seek advice when I need it. I also stick my oar in and give my opinion from time to time, especially if it is anything to do with AS.

 

I don't understand the need to go through my post with a fine toothcomb and pick apart and make it look like I've said something bad or wrong. Maybe this is just your method of replying but I don't understand it. I never tried to make you look bad or anything, and I certainly haven't seen things in the same way as you. So if this is the way it must be done in order to close this matter once and for all, so be it.

 

"i think, from reading this thread you do extremely well, and am certainly glad that you are getting the support that has so sadly been shown to be lacking towards some asd/as 'posters' in the past"

 

I don't understand what this has to do with me tbh. I'm not aware that I have supporters or people 'in my corner'. A couple of people have replied to this thread and said they are glad I'm sticking around and that they agree with some of what I've said. That to me just says, ok we acknowledge your opinion and agree, not "rah rah lets hear it for Emily". I didn't realise either that it was a big deal if someone agreed with me or "showed support". As far as I'm concerned I need about as much support as anyone else does, as/asd or not. I didn't realise there were two seperate groups, nts and aspies, I had no idea. I, hopefully, post alongside everyone else and hopefully on equal footing and get seen as Emily first, someone with AS second. I just don't understand what you're saying and if there has been a problem with how asd/as posters have been treated in the past, I know nothing about it so I don't know why it would apply. AGAIN I stress I'm not being funny or trying to deconstruct for no reason, I just simply, don't understand.

 

"i do not believe in secrecy i was merely stating an interest in as from the perspective of an as young adult and did not wish you to feel fettered by the constraints a forum such as this has to have in place. secrecy implies almost a sense of shame should be attached and most people on here would certainly tell you that i certainly do not think that way. as i said before pm or not that is your decision and i fully respect that you have chosen not to"

 

To me secrecy means not making information available to everyone. Secrecy to me, certainly, doesn't imply a sense of shame. I'm sorry that you took it that way, but that's not the way I view that word or intended to come across. I merely meant that, if I was to discuss AS I wouldn't want to conduct it across a series of 'secret' (read: not available to everyone else) series of messages. If I were to discuss, in full, my views on AS then why not do it in a Forum where everyone can see and where, I thought, there weren't any constraints in talking about the matter. Again I don't understand what restraints there could be. I just don't understand full stop it seems.

 

 

"i didnot ask for a debate but a healthy discussion, i as a nt adult couldnot presume to tell you what is right or wrong. i do not have as and can only hope to learn more from dicussion, not debate, from people such as yourself and my son

i have never said i do not agree with you, why would you think that, this is the first time i have had a contact with you. i have not read any other posts from you and would never presume to automatically think that i would definately disagree with anything you, or anyone else for that matter, would have to say, i may do so but that would not be an automatic presumption. so why would you think that of me?

if you have been advised, by others, that this is what i would do then there are plenty others on here who would tell you the opposite. as i have said above i wish to learn, not disrespect, i can only do that by listening and discussing, not prejudging and would hope that you personally, without influence, would do me the courtesy of doing the same

although you have said you have done with this thread i hope at least you will do me the courtesy of reading this reply. you felt the need to answer in open forum so i have done the same. if nothing else to show everyone that no secrecy was ever asked for or sought"

 

Ok, please don't get offended as this is just my interpretation of the situation and it seems to be completely at the opposite end of the scale from yours. If I have misinterpreted the tone of your posts or anything you have implied or suggested then of course I offer my sincere apology and do hope that I can be forgiven.

 

I have obviously mis-read debate/discussion. Or maybe not, because I thought that, since you wanted to talk in private about my views on AS, that this meant that the conversation might get heated or something like that and might not be appropriate for the forum in that respect. You said, and this is the way I took it, that you wanted to know why I thought AS needed defending in general, as if it was something you didn't agree with. Therefore I didn't want to enter into that kind of debate, either in private or on the forum, it's just not something I'm interested in as like I said, if you did disagree with me, what is the point if we already disagree. Though I still wouldn't want to enter into a Discussion because, as I said above, the forum seems a reasonable place to talk about it if just a discussion is going to be had as, I have also said above, I can't see what possible restraints could be in place on the forum to stop this from happening.

 

I don't talk to most other people on here except in the mode of posting on the threads. A couple of people have pm'd me asking for advice and so in that respect I have pm'd. I don't know any other posters and certainly don't sit around gossiping about other posters on here. No one has gotten in contact with me with any information about you. I know nothing about you. Similarly just as I don't care if anyone has anything negative to say about you, I also don't really wish to hear from people saying how nice you are. I'm simply not interested full stop. I would suggest that if you have problems with other posters on here, as it might seem if you think someone would have something bad to say about you, then you just leave me out of it and stop judging me in the same way that you have accused me of judging you. I haven't judged you at all, I have judged your response in a post which is what one must do in order to respond to what someone has said. As I have already said, if I got the tone of the post wrong then so be it and I've already apologised so I'm not going there again. But to me, the only reason I could think of that you would want to discuss my views on why AS needs defending, in a private matter, was because you didn't want to enter into a possible heated debate that might not be appropriate for the Forum. I checked with my boyfriend to see if I was interpreting correctly and he agreed. In this case then we are both wrong and I am still in the dark as to why you would feel there are other restraints on posting on the forum other than arguing.

 

You talk about courtesy but have done nothing but contradict yourself. Don't ask me to give you courtesy when you are sitting there judging me also. I have not judged you, but, apparently, mis-judged somehow your intent in discussing my views on AS. I don't understand how you can think I might have been talkng about you to other people trying to find out what you are like. I have AS remember. I don't do friends, I don't do bud buds, I don't do gossip or slander, I don't do competitions about who is better... I don't know how. I'm not playing an innocent card or trying to appear superior or trying to get the upperhand or anything that NT people do. I don't know how to do all this rubbish!!!!!!!

 

I don't think you are a bad or good person because I don't know you and I am so naffed off with this whole thing now that I really am out. I have wasted my whole morning on this rubbish.

 

To simply conclude. I am sorry if I mis-read your intent in wanting to talk in private. But honestly, to argue or get into a debate where we might disagree is the only answer I could come up with and it was backed up by my boyfriend so I felt I was ok to reply. I never implied shame in using the word secrecy, you've made that point, not me. Nor have I consulted others as to your character, you've made that point, not me.

 

I just give up, I'm fed up and have enough on my plate without having to defend myself against silly remarks like this. I have finally had a period after four months and am sitting here in absoute agony at the cramps and light headedness and dizziness. I am trying, constantly, to do the right thing and help others on this forum and perhaps if you had read my other posts you might have got a better judgement of my character rather that constructing this whole image of me talking to other people.

 

I really am just, *poof*, gone. If I feel I have advice to give in any other posts now or in the future I will do so, but when it comes to be talkin about anything else I quit.

 

As someone who struggles with communication, it's too hard, I'm sorry.

 

Emily

xxx

 

For the umpteenth time, just in case, I'm sorry if I offend you Mrs Phasmid or say anything to upset you, this is not my intention or my goal. I feel the need to defend myself in the situation, just as I felt the need in the post previous and the post previous to that in regards to things you had posted. I did so, I felt, in an adequate manner and didn't attack your character or so I had thought. I'm sorry.

[bid]

Please don't go, Emily

 

Bid <'>

[smiley]

I don't want to talk about this discussion - this is a note for Emily.

 

 

I've looked through all the articles and responses on here and can see the conclusion that most people are gonna reach of "we just don't know" and therefore see little point in discussing the possibilities of what mental disability the daughter might or might not have or the mental health of the mother.

 

Emily <'> <'> <'>

 

Please, please don't stop posting on the forum. I feel much the same way as you do (In the 'quote' bit above). Don't be worried if you can't understand the meaning behind some posts - i feel much the same some times. <'>

 

Just as a personal note...... Not just in this thread, but throughout the whole forum, your thoughts are very valued by me. I have read many post of yours i and have gained such insight into the way my son thinks - i would really miss what you have to say. I don't like and value you just because you have AS, but because your posts are always fascinating and interesting to me <'> .

[nellie]

This thread appears to have run its course, everyone has had their fair say, so i'm going to close it on smiley's positive note before it gets further sidetracked.

 

 

Nellie xx