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Does the SEN officer from the LEA count? :fight:

 

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

Do you often go out for drinks with the SEN officer? Do you darn his/her socks of an evening? Have you ever shared a tent (real or play (i.e. a blanket draped over a clothes horse)) with the SEN officer? If not then they're sufficiently enough of a stranger to start rummaging around for a good hefty brick (try to get one with a bit of slime on it for added effect). If you want to be really prepared, get any left over pumpkins from Halloween (Oh no, that sounds soooo Blue Peter) and use them as target practice so that you can perfect that skull cracking swing :fight:

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Well 5'11'' and kind of 'atheletic' (well apart from a bit of a bad leg - I can hop athletically) - does that count? Don't really see myself as Sid Mr-Personality Little or Eric ("He's a lovely little mover" "Yes, he's on castors" :lol:) Morecambe though

 

Stand up with a pair of Aspies would be hilarious - they'd just stand there avoiding eye-contact and looking at each others' shoes (and just you watch, the BBC will announce a great new show in a couple of weeks that consists entitely of that - have Vernon Kay (from Bolton) present it and it'll be another Saturday evening ratings hit for sure, or, if you prefer, a shoe-in) :dance:

 

:D I think the bad leg would only add to the comedy!!

 

Thinking about it I'd make a rubbish addition to Little'N'Large anyway seen as though I'm really about 5'9 and still look like Johnny Vegas' sister. Yes, that's right, I did actually play the marshmellow man in Ghostbusters. FYI Bill Murray is a scream!

 

I can just see the next Saturday night show. ITV will have the AS-DX Factor where members of the public diagnose the Aspie out of a line up by turning the tables and throwing the brick at the suspect! BBC would then launch a rival show Strictly Avoiding Eye Contact While Dancing where Aspies have to not only dance with strangers but also have to include set moves where they make eye contact with the number of set moves increasing each week. The first Aspie to go completely insane and turn into Rainman standing in the middle of the dance floor saying "I like, I like dancing" is the winner and gets to spend the rest of his or her days locked in Bruce Forsyth's basement to be used by Brucie to practice his awful jokes on.

 

That's it....I'm emigrating :lol::lol:

 

Emily

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The person wonder if character father jack from the programme father ted was based on an ASDer [using crimewatches' diagnostics]? there was a pet brick and he hit people with it.

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Of all the effort it takes to get a diagnosis, this fella just had to act suspicious and appear on Crimwatch.

 

What message is that sending out?

 

Crime pays! :rolleyes:

 

AS = Acting Suspicious.

 

K x

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I never thought a thread that would start with me getting angry & seeing red would end with me holding my sides from laughing so hard!! :lol:

 

On a serious note though I hope the bbc apologise about this, it seems incredible that they could make such a claim, has the NAS responded?

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Of all the effort it takes to get a diagnosis, this fella just had to act suspicious and appear on Crimwatch.

 

What message is that sending out?

 

To me it says that if you're looking for a dx, don't bother going to see your GP/specialist/psycholagist, but nip to your nearest builders merchant, buy a brick and then have the police diagnose you in a few minutes

 

So far no response from the BBC but I expect that they're probably busy chaining Nick Ross and all concerned to a wall and flayling them for making such a huge mistake. At the very least I expect pictures of this

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I see that Crimewatch has backtracked a bit on their website!

 

They are now portraying the staring eyes as being a drug user:

 

"The victims noticed the man's 'starey' eyes. He appeared vacant and detached. One witness described him as looking ill, with 'yellowy skin'. Could he be on medication? "

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/crime/crimewatch/reco...irmingham.shtml

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"The victims noticed the man's 'starey' eyes. He appeared vacant and detached. One witness described him as looking ill, with 'yellowy skin'. Could he be on medication? "

 

Yep sounds like an Aspie to me alright :blink: Actually its quite common for serious drug users to appear like that if they're a) whacked out of their nut at the time and b ) got Hep from using dirty needles-Ive seen a few 'yellow' looking junkies for this exact reason. Stupid b*$&"�$^%s at the BBC!!!!!!!!!

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I see that Crimewatch has backtracked a bit on their website!

 

They are now portraying the staring eyes as being a drug user:

 

"The victims noticed the man's 'starey' eyes. He appeared vacant and detached. One witness described him as looking ill, with 'yellowy skin'. Could he be on medication? "

http://www.bbc.co.uk/crime/crimewatch/reco...irmingham.shtml

 

I see. So Aspies are easy to confuse with drug addicts now. Hell's teeth I thought I had enough to contend with what with having to become a violent criminal at some point in the future but now I find out that I've also got to develop a crack cocaine habit as well. Lordy, lordy, there just ain't enough hours in the day

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i just asked louis (aged 9)about the elephant sitting on the fence ??he said obviously 3.00 o'clock a asked him why 3.00 o'clock??he said obviously(obviously???) thats what time the elephant came out of school...lol...i love my asd babe.....he understands.....lol....love noogsy

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I GOT A REPLY!!!!

 

Not exactly brilliant but at least someone took the time to write back (unlike the <insert rude word here>s at ITV)

 

Thank you for your e-mail regarding 'Crimewatch' broadcast on 1 November.

 

The primary aim of all 'Crimewatch' appeals is to provide as much information as possible about the suspects in the hope that this will help someone, somewhere to identify them. Distinctive behaviour is no less useful or important in this respect than physical features, and we would stand by the validity of passing on an expert view that a suspect might have some form of mental illness or personality disorder. The offender the police are seeking in connection with the crime in question is extremely dangerous in their view and could kill his next victim, so 'Crimewatch' were keen to do all they could to assist the enquiry.

 

In this instance Nick Ross was directly quoting advice from one of Britain's most experienced forensic psychologists, who has worked extensively for the National Crime Faculty and other police agencies for many years. His judgement has proved reliable to detectives and to 'Crimewatch' appeals in the past and it was his opinion that people who know the Birmingham attacker "might regard him as a being autistic or having Asperger's".

 

With hindsight, however, the 'Crimewatch' team accept that there is insufficient diagnostic evidence to justify a specific reference to Asperger's, and naturally they regret any offence or distress that this caused. I should stress that 'Crimewatch' in no way implied that everyone who has Asperger's is potentially violent; any more than they would be suggesting that everyone with a tattoo was violent were they to highlight that as a distinguishing feature of a suspect.

 

We are very sorry that you were upset by the programme, and appreciate that this is an extremely sensitive issue. Please be assured that your concerns have been very carefully considered by the 'Crimewatch' team and will play an important part in decisions about the wording of future appeals.

 

Thank you, once more, for taking the time to contact the BBC.

 

Do we think this will make any difference? Nah, didn't think so

 

That said, this 'forensic psychologist' is still obviously a genius

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They will not identify the suspect based on the premise that those who know him may think he's Autistic and still there was nothing remotely close to the amount of evidence required to give even a folk diagnosis.

 

Saying that a suspect may be Autistic is NOT the same as saying they are white or black, short or tall or any other obvious physical feature.

 

I believe the psychologist involved needs to justify himself and I will not listen to the rubbish excuse that as much information as possible needed to be provided in case the man kills someone: the information needs to be accurate and non-perjorative. There mere fact that Autism/Aspergers was mentioned means it's going to be even less likely the man is caught even if he really is Autistic; people around him are going to be too offended to even consider anything suspicious that would connect him.

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They will not identify the suspect based on the premise that those who know him may think he's Autistic and still there was nothing remotely close to the amount of evidence required to give even a folk diagnosis.

 

Saying that a suspect may be Autistic is NOT the same as saying they are white or black, short or tall or any other obvious physical feature.

 

I believe the psychologist involved needs to justify himself and I will not listen to the rubbish excuse that as much information as possible needed to be provided in case the man kills someone: the information needs to be accurate and non-perjorative. There mere fact that Autism/Aspergers was mentioned means it's going to be even less likely the man is caught even if he really is Autistic; people around him are going to be too offended to even consider anything suspicious that would connect him.

 

Agreed 100%. It's worthless info based on the flimsiest of 'evidence' - how the psychologist involved can ever dare to even suggest the possibility of AS/ASD is beyond me. Crimewatch are totally in the wrong but are just going to hide behind a 'public good' excuse

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i suppose quite a few of the "hoodie dwellers" living on our council estate could also be classed as aspergic then???

 

well they are forever hanging around the local shop lobbing bricks at various passers by (building site on the corner in case anyone wonders where they get the bricks)

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I'm so pleased you wrote the letter TN and that you have had a response. I'll be interested to see if any mention of this case and the use of Aspergers is acknowledged in the next programme....I think they may have found themselves inundated with complaints and may well seek to justify it.

 

I can't for the life of me understand why a profiler may believe a suspect is AS simply from his behaviour while thumping someone with a brick......as for vacant expression, staring eyes etc.......heck, that could be for a number of reasons.....probably drugs I'd of thought would be the most logical.

 

I'd love to see them retract the what they have said in their next programme. Statements like that cause so much damage and its utterly disgusting to link AS to this crime without any evidence.

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SAw the programme and was shocked by the reference to AS. Have come to this discussion late, but have so enjoyed laughing out loud at some of the responses :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

A lovely bit of light relief! - and pleased to see the sense of humour is alive and kicking amongst the posters.

 

Phoebe

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Interesting reply from crimewatch some psychologists have very predjudiced view of aspergers syndrome, when my son was dx at age 9, by a lovely padiatrician and sympathetic to both of us child psychologist, very knowledgeable and sympathetic on asperger and autism however I was being treated seperately for depression, brought about by all the stress trying to get him appropriate educationetc and other stresses and my psychologist for adults said to me my son would probably end up in prison because that is what happened to most people with aspergers which further compounded my depression not helped it, I was appalled but this was said again when my son developed mental health probs when became homeless by his GP. The lack of understanding by some professionals is truly frightening.

 

The psychologist crimewatch are referring too seems to me to be predjudiced toward people with asperger syndrome to assume that violent behaviour such as this meant it was asperger syndrome. I find it extremely offensive

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