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:crying::crying: I haven't posted much as i've been all over the place. I appealed to the tribunal for my son to go to a specialist independant residential school and got the news through today that I haven't won, my son is now going to have to go to an EBD school situated less than 5-10 minutes walk away that have no trained staff in asd.

 

I had two independant reports saying waking day curriculum

report from nhs speech and language saying he needs educational staff and therapists trained in asd to provide support throughout the waking day

nhs padeitrician from guys hospital saying he needs 24 hour consistent enviroment

CAHMS saying that it would be ideal and less need from them if he were to attend residential.

 

Feel so annoyed, no recommendations have been made on his statement with regards to his speech and language needs or occupational therapy needs. there seems to have been a total disregard for what he needs.

 

I really don't know what I can do now feel like 15 months have been spent banging my head against a brick wall :wallbash:

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>:D<<'> >:D<<'> stressedmumto2 >:D<<'> >:D<<'>

 

I'm so sorry :tearful: . With the evidence you had, it leaves me speechless how the tribunal came to that decision.

 

Annie

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T o top it all off the LA told very good lies, they said they have cahms on site for individual children which they don't but cahms can go in to school. They've had no OT in there for 12 months, the OT recommended 15 mins at school daily and 15 mins at home daily plus a course of OT. They said staff are trained in asd, in the main school which son will go to in sept their is no trained staff.

 

I guess all I can hope is that a very good friend of mine who is a parent governor will get things moving for the children in their and my son will get proper support he needs.

 

The independant ed physc is going to look through it to see if there is anything in law to which we can appeal but solicitor doesn't think there is.

 

been advised to get a big diary and record everything. I wouldlove to go to the press but don't want everybody knowing all about my son's difficulties.

 

Does anyone have any advice or been through similar?

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been advised to get a big diary and record everything. I wouldlove to go to the press but don't want everybody knowing all about my son's difficulties.

 

Hi SS2 - while I can really appreciate how you would feel that way there could be another very good reason to hang fire on that... IF there are any grounds for a further appeal it could get scuppered if there was 'prejudicial publicity' surrounding events(?)

Mind you, if you can show that the evidence put forward by the LEA is not true, i'd have thought that would strengthen your chances of finding a loop hole considerably...

L&P

BD >:D<<'>

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oh im so sorry to hear about this.

I dont know how they could have come to this conclusion with all your evidence.

Really sorry

love

jen

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Hi Stressedmum

 

>:D<<'> >:D<<'> >:D<<'> >:D<<'> >:D<<'>

 

You can apply to the tribunal for the decision to be reviewed on certain grounds but this must be done within 10 working days of the decision.

 

The grounds are: an error on the part of the tribunal staff, or in procedure, or in the interests of justice.

 

If you have a solicitor on the case, they will be able to tell you if any of these grounds apply to you and investigate whether it's worth trying this route.

 

So sorry. :(

 

K x

Edited by Kathryn

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I've never posted here before, but your situation really touched me. Have you actually been offered a place at the independent school of your choice? If so, would the head of the school be willing to help you with appeal? With all the professional reports on your side, it is difficult to see why the tribunal came to their decision. Have you approached the NAS?

They may be able to help.

Most professionals agree that an EBD school is not the right environment for ASD children. It was disastrous for my son, who eventually went to an AS specific residential school.

It sounds as if you need to appeal his statement as well, if speech and language needs and OT needs have been ignored.

I know the energy required in fighting all this, but please don't just take it lying down.

I wish you well, whatever you decide to do, but you need to act quickly.

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HI mcourt my son was offered a place at the residential school and I had a representative from the school but the tribunal didn't find the school appropiate. A factor was there are no children in the school the same age as my son he's 8, 9 in sept and the youngest there are 11 even though they are at the same level he's at they didn't find it to be an appropiate peer group and that the school primarily caters for moderate learning behaviours and my son's cognitive ability is average even though he's is underachieving. When my son stayed atthe school for 3 nights he gelled with the boys in the class he was placed in and seen them as no different from him, out of 6 or 7 in the class I think 5 of them had asd.

 

I just can't see my son suffer any more due tonot having the correct diagnosis. I am going to fight this not sure how yet but I'm not giving up. I have a couple of great friends behind me who I know wont let me give up :crying:

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Hi Stressedmum,>:D<<'> >:D<<'> >:D<<'>

 

I'm shocked to read this.

What other options do you have apart from that school? Have you considered home-ed or a private school? Don't let this appalling decision bring you down.

 

You could also talk to your MP about this.

 

Good luck!

 

Curra

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hun, no way will we let you give up >:D<<'> i been speechless all day :tearful: i wish there was something i could say or do to make it better. :tearful:>:D<<'>

 

you are a strong girl, you have amazed me in lots of ways, i dont know how you carry on sometimes. but you do, and you still have kind words for others in supporting them to. >:D<<'> :)

 

you do have friends that will help and do everything they can to ensure you get the right help and support both you and your son need.

 

i feel like a chocolate tea cosy at the momment, but i want you to know my heart goes out to you, and i will help all i can. you are NOT alone. :ph34r:

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I'm so, so sorry. What on earth is the matter with the tribunal panel :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:. With all the evidence, even from CAMHS, Guys Hospital and the NHS SALT you'd think they would take some notice.

 

We went to tribunal a couple of years ago when the LEA refused to assess my daughter. We had an overwhelming amount of evidence and the LEA had nothing but we lost. The decision was so perverse. No one could believe it. I was gutted as I'm sure you are now. We got there eventually and she now has a statement. I know it's not the same thing, but I guess I'm just trying to say, it may seem hopeless now but please don't give up. Keep fighting until you get the right school for your son.

 

>:D<<'> >:D<<'> >:D<<'>

 

Lisa

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I am so upset as your fighting with all your might, and going throw soo much and even going to tribunal where you could of got some justice has now been floored.

 

I feel so sorry not just for your son but for you as well as the effort and energy needed is just emence!

 

I really am deverstated :tearful: for you and it leaves me scared stiff when J goes to secondary and I am looking at a specific special school!

 

I am no way going to have a chance if you havent been successful and already thinking about not bothering, :huh::(

I couldnt cope with the loss and what could of's.

 

I really feel for you and I cant say anything at all to make you feel better only that we know that you gave it your all,

you did your absaloute best and no one can ask for more what you have done,

 

The only people failing here is the mad, Sad Educaitonal system!

 

I dont get it at all, who actually wins at these tribunals!??? :angry: and whats the point of them if you loose and your put throw so much stress and emotional roller coaster, :o:o

 

personally my hope is destroyed now for any support for J. :crying:

 

where do you go now? can you appeal? did the panel have any idea of ASD and special needs? :wallbash::wallbash:

 

I totally agree EBD school is going to be the wrong place especially if the proposed independant school felt they could accomadate him and meet his needs and willing to give him the benefit of the spersifc needs and if they felt he was EBD needs I am sure they wouldnt of offered so much support.

 

If your forced into the EBD school would you send him? or look into home education?

 

It must be so difficult but what stands out more than anything here is that you are a fighter, and a great role model for your son showing him that when you have lost you keep fighting, and striving. :ninja:

 

I totally admire your strength of chararchter.

 

I so wish you would go to the national papers because these kind of battles needs publishing more than the wars that tend to get the most attention which have nothing at all to do with us.

 

I want to give you lots of hugs >:D<<'> >:D<<'> and you know that we are here on your side.

 

we are here if you need anyone to rant at and get some TLC,

 

Its going to be a real hard couple of weeks but lets hope and pray, that your son does eventually get that place in the independant special school because he deserves it.

 

Deverstated too. :crying:

 

JsMum

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So sorry to hear the news >:D<<'> stressedmum >:D<<'> feel so frustrated for you.

Pick yourself up & fight on. It shouldnt be this hard but sometimes it is & it will be worth it in the end.

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Thanks everyone.

 

I am going to see if I can appeal it but I have spoken to IPSEA who say not many cases get squashed when you appeal. The solicitor also thinks there is no way for appeal as it has to be on a count of law.

 

I can't home ed, he's had virtually no education since jan last year and he's been home all this time, it's sad to say but I am not up to home educating, i've tried to do work with him but it's been too difficult as he's so violent when pressure is put on him.

 

I will have to go with the ebd school but make sure I have all services that the LA said at tribunal will support me across the waking day. I am going to insist that someone comes to the home and takes him to school after all I am not putting myself in the situation of him being violent with me cos he doesn't want to go to school, due to his transition difficluties. I'm going to insist he has a home/school book something they told me they don't give to parents and now despite recommendations of speech and language and occupational therapy I am going to ask for it to be put in his statement and quantified and ask for a timetable so I know when he is to receive it.

 

I'm gonna make sure he does get a formal dx either by CAHMS or his PAED, if they wont accept the private reports I will ask for him to be re-assessed. The panel basically rejected my independant ed physc report because I gave my son en extra dose of ritalin when his morning dose wore off (only done it cos I was paying so much I wnated my son to comply which he did as he was also earning money every half an hour, although he still showed extreme hyperactive, impulsive behaviour,lol).

 

J's mum, please don't be put off by my dissapointment. I knew it was a big gamble and one that I may not have won, our LA are great liars, that they are even begining to look like pinocchio's. Please don't give up, not every case is the same, I also think mine was difficult as it was out of placement and he didn't have a formal dx from the team plus my paed think's he's too young to go to boarding.

 

The las few months I have not really let professionals know how i am feeling, I was hoping so much that he would be going to a school that could really help him.

 

I feel down, very down but i'm also angry :wallbash:

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It sounds as if you have mind up your mind about what to do. If you reconsider - did you know there are ASD residential schools which take boys of primary age? The school my son went to took boys from 7-18, and was an excellent school.

Best wishes with everything.

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I can't believe this has happened given all the evidence you had to back you up. It must be one hell of a disappointment and I am disappointed too.

 

I'm not sure where to go next and you say that home education is out of the question. What about these internet schools? Are any of them suitable?

 

You could try out the EBD school, although I have first hand experience that they are not suitable for kids with AS. If things turn out badly at this school then you could bring the issue up again at a future tribunal.

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I'm so sorry >:D<<'>

 

If you think the tribunal failed to consider all the evidence you can appeal to the high court and get the decision over turned (this happened in the case of a child whose parents wanted him to go to a specialist school for children who have dyspraxia).

 

Never give up!

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A factor was there are no children in the school the same age as my son he's 8, 9 in sept and the youngest there are 11 even though they are at the same level he's at they didn't find it to be an appropiate peer group.

 

This could well be the crux of the matter. The education system has a liking for allocating services on an age rather than ability basis. Is this school willing to take kids as young as 9 or is it strictly 11+ ? Have a word with the school, and if they are willing to take a 9 year old, get them to write you a letter. Then you can use this as evidence in another tribunal.

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Hi Canopous, the school take children from 7-16 then they can continue with their education at the college which is now accomadating adults up to 22. They don't have any children there younger than 11 because we all know LA's are hanging on to the younger ones for longer which I guess is why their age is going up as they need the extra time to help the children who have been left in schools that can't support them. The school had offered a place and said they could accomodate him which is what is so dissapointing because I truly believed they could.

 

I don't know what to do. I am feeling fed up with it all and the continuing daily struggles which we all have to live with and the worry that the school the LA want my son in could seriously damage him, not because of the school but more because of the difficulties my son has. They are a school for ebd's and successfull wih ebd's however not sosuccessfull with asd's. The other difficulty is if my son school refuses again........he said himself how are you going to get me out of the house if I don't like it, arghhhhhhh

 

This system is totally screwed up and in the process screwing children up. I think if my son is to be restrained on a daily basis just to get him into school this is going to have a long term damaged effect :wallbash::crying:

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I guess the best thing to do for the moment is to document every problem that you or the new school they wish to send him to faces. That way hopefully you can build up enough evidence quickly to get him moved to a school that is more suitable. Hope you can manage to find a way to sort this out. Think of you, David.

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