JsMum Report post Posted June 1, 2007 Has anyone got any ideas and advice on children who show violence and extreame aggression? J has no achknowlegement of his actions and often the beginning is just a game but it soon esculates and becomes to the point where others are harmed. I am beginning to camrecord him because its very worrying? When would you have concerns and what would you do about the concerns? JsMum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoebe Report post Posted June 1, 2007 Hi Js mum - <'> <'> <'> My DS (now 8) worries me greatly on this front. I dont know what to do. He seems to go into destruction mode and this either manifests itself as self harm or as a direct attempt to damage property or possessions. I really dont know what to do. I have recently asked the doc for a new referral to CAMHS and have contacted the NAS about the posibility of using a psychologist privately/paying for cognitive behaviour therapy. I have tried all that I know how to do, but just dont know what else to try. Prevention is always better than cure, but what with the school throwing the spanner in the works ................. prevention isn't always possible is it?? CAnt help much can I?? But wanted to give you a virtual hug!! Phoebe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JsMum Report post Posted June 2, 2007 Hi Js mum - <'> <'> <'> My DS (now 8) worries me greatly on this front. I dont know what to do. He seems to go into destruction mode and this either manifests itself as self harm or as a direct attempt to damage property or possessions. I really dont know what to do. I have recently asked the doc for a new referral to CAMHS and have contacted the NAS about the posibility of using a psychologist privately/paying for cognitive behaviour therapy. I have tried all that I know how to do, but just dont know what else to try. Prevention is always better than cure, but what with the school throwing the spanner in the works ................. prevention isn't always possible is it?? CAnt help much can I?? But wanted to give you a virtual hug!! Phoebe Hi Phoebe Thankyou for your reply and honesty because sometimes because he can be very slyly violent I dont always like to admitt it, I realise on this forum other parents are proberbly thinking that aggression and violence has nothing to do with an ASD or AS but J has always communicated physically, like you descibed in when your son plays with his toys, J has broken his throw just pure playing but he is so heavy handed and hard with his movements bits snap off and break into bits. I know that his violence and aggression is more to do with the ADHD element, the not thinking, the impulsiveness, so I do understand A little. In the past J has had anger management, throw cahms and also an other behaviour management at school around when he was 6yrs old. So he has some idea on how to manage, the violence itsnt always down to been angry, sometimes its out the blue too. Funny enough after the post I did look at some sights that looked at childrens pysychotherapy and may go down this route and pay for it, we need it now before someone says he needs it but he is already in an institute. J is a really sweet lad and I have maybe portraid him to be really bad, he isnt, its just when he goes off on one he really could do some damage so a person. I will look into the psychotherapist, and I have also looked at maybe a play therapist because of his communication difficulties. Thankyou for all your hugs and support. JsMum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noetic Report post Posted June 2, 2007 With some kids, especially where they almost "blank out" and don't always remember what they did, there amy be some degree of seizure activity involved as well... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JsMum Report post Posted June 3, 2007 With some kids, especially where they almost "blank out" and don't always remember what they did, there amy be some degree of seizure activity involved as well... J has had all the test for epilepsy and it all came back normal, the abscence have been put down to blanking out when the stimuli get too overloading, he has also been assessed by a heart peadatrition because of increase in heart rate and that was put down to anxieties related to tasks and his enviroment so noise, crowds, toutch and suspected ASD and referred us to a Specialist centre. J has recently seen a neurologist and he has confirmed ASD he talked about behaviour and aggression can be displayed in children espeically as J has both the ADHD and ASD. Last night J had another period where he went totally angry, his face was all screwed up and his eyes where all red, he proceeded to throw large lounge arm chairs and literatly throwing them over, he throw the computer chair and tipped over larger furniture, I had to place myself in a place of safety where he panted and concentrated on an object breathing heavily, he then talked in a robotic tone and demanded some cereal, I had to work with him very hard to help him calm down as he was so distressed this is what concerns because he is only 10 yrs old, another three or four years time the potential damage could be very destressing for both J and myself. I am already in a situation when it esculates I am having to call the police for his own safety and on accasions I dont want to do that and struggle to cope on my own, though I dont have any hesitstion when he begins to use objects to lash out with. The evening went late into the evening and only after he did have his cereal after ten mins he was like nothing had happened and that look in his eye had truely disapeared, when it came to putting him to bed however he became upset again and took time to keep the water calm, eventually he was asleep and I was drained, and very bewildered. JsMum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carrieq Report post Posted June 3, 2007 Don't know if this helps but ds OT said, in relation to sensory stimuli, a combination of ADHD and ASD is horrible as one part of you longs for the stability and security and the other part doesn't think about thinking and also thrives on impulse. The sense of frustration must be immense. We find ds cannot remeber a thing after a really violent outburst and the first sign is that look in his eyes!! We try to avoid sensory overload but this doesn't happen at school where he has most of his big blow outs. He can respond to deep pressure and has a hug vest that he wears at stressful points during the day. I found the OT to be great, really understanding and she has attempted to put how ds feels across to the school. Carrie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoebe Report post Posted June 3, 2007 "J has had all the test for epilepsy and it all came back normal, the abscence have been put down to blanking out when the stimuli get too overloading" H too. He has never been diagnosed with adhd, but I often wonder???? CarrieQ "He can respond to deep pressure and has a hug vest that he wears at stressful points during the day." What is a hug vest please? and how did you get OT involved? Js ,u, - hope tomorrow is a better day and school is not too traumatic <'> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JsMum Report post Posted June 3, 2007 "J has had all the test for epilepsy and it all came back normal, the abscence have been put down to blanking out when the stimuli get too overloading" H too. He has never been diagnosed with adhd, but I often wonder???? CarrieQ "He can respond to deep pressure and has a hug vest that he wears at stressful points during the day." What is a hug vest please? and how did you get OT involved? Js ,u, - hope tomorrow is a better day and school is not too traumatic <'> Phoebe thanks for your wishes, the hug vest I think is the weighted vests, you can get a number of products that places deep pressure into them, so weighted vests, blankets, laps, its more american, but I know that our local ASD group advirtised the weighted products. The only issue I have is though I am certain he would gain pleasure but there is also the element that he feels totally overwhelmed. Js ADHD craves the stimuli, where as his ASD part cant cope with its overload, cricky he really must be going crazy at times. JsMum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deedee Report post Posted June 3, 2007 Hi J's Mum <'> My M is 8 and sounds so spookily like your J you know! We've always had the unintentional 'heavyhandedness' with him too and before he learned to communicate I spent most of the time black or blue or both!!! I've even had a broken pubic bone due to a headbutt when he was 3 As he started to learn how to speak the frustration and violence lessened to a degree,then we mainly got 'just' meltdowns and over time we've learned many of the triggers for these and managed to avoid a lot of them..til now....Now the violence is creeping back and I'm stumped as to why too...I do think a lot of it is school related (we have our review tomorrow so watch this space..) but I've also noticed he is getting extremely sensetive to noises,weather,touch again too.He used to have major sensory issues but these seemed to lessen as he grew older,now they seem to have come back with a vengeance,I have NO idea why but do you think it may be a sensory thing with J ?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mand Report post Posted June 4, 2007 Hi J's mum. You don't think the aggression could be related to a low blood glucose level especially as J asked for cereal and then calmed down. My son needs to eat regularly and aiming for long acting food or protein because things with high sugar can cause a hyper then a big drop causing aggression.Could it even be what he has eaten before these occur that cause these episodes like a lot of wheat or milk? Some people have a metabolic imbalance that happens when they eat wheat and milk that can cause aggression and violence.Just a thought. Yours Mand Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JsMum Report post Posted June 4, 2007 Hi J's Mum <'> My M is 8 and sounds so spookily like your J you know! We've always had the unintentional 'heavyhandedness' with him too and before he learned to communicate I spent most of the time black or blue or both!!! I've even had a broken pubic bone due to a headbutt when he was 3 As he started to learn how to speak the frustration and violence lessened to a degree,then we mainly got 'just' meltdowns and over time we've learned many of the triggers for these and managed to avoid a lot of them..til now....Now the violence is creeping back and I'm stumped as to why too...I do think a lot of it is school related (we have our review tomorrow so watch this space..) but I've also noticed he is getting extremely sensetive to noises,weather,touch again too.He used to have major sensory issues but these seemed to lessen as he grew older,now they seem to have come back with a vengeance,I have NO idea why but do you think it may be a sensory thing with J ?? J defo has issues with sensory, this weekend he wouldnt entertain buying some more new shoes, even after wearing wellies for a walk because his newish shoes hurt his feet and ankle, we had no chioce to put his old shoes in the wheely bin because they had become so small they also started to hurt his feet. we have had real issues getting him to wear the shoes we bought a few weeks ago, but he wont let me buy a new pair. Before the half term he refused to go to school there was other reasons but one of them was because it was raining, he doesnt like the rain tapping on the schools roof. J has his Dinner in a classroom at school because he cant eat in the hall due to sensory distress to noise, crowds and interaction and then the food difficulties added on to that, he eats very little and thats because of texture and tempreture. I do know that his sensory difficulties have increased over the last few years. However because he has ADHD he is constantly craving stimulation and many involve the sences. So I do believe there is a connection with overload, I read the out of syncs child and was amazed on how much it related to J. JsMum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JsMum Report post Posted June 4, 2007 Hi J's mum. You don't think the aggression could be related to a low blood glucose level especially as J asked for cereal and then calmed down. My son needs to eat regularly and aiming for long acting food or protein because things with high sugar can cause a hyper then a big drop causing aggression.Could it even be what he has eaten before these occur that cause these episodes like a lot of wheat or milk? Some people have a metabolic imbalance that happens when they eat wheat and milk that can cause aggression and violence.Just a thought. Yours Mand I will tell you what Js diet has been over the last two weeks, Wheetabix and sugar with full fat milk Carvery Ham with Mayo in white bread and butter Apple Juice in large quantaties. J has refused to eat his meals lately, even his beloved steak, he complains that it tastes funny, every thing is tasting funny, he has left fish and chips, pasta, and his favourate mash potatoes, I cant seem to get anything down him other than the constant repeatative as shown above. J is under a dietition as he is clinically underweight, he has severe sensory issues to food, so taste, texture, tempreture. He is due to see his dietition again so I will report to her his difficulties because no daught that his behaviour was contributed to hypoglicemia and he has suffered before so she has it in his report that he suffers hypo's, I carry bits with me all the time and have to be ready with juice and emergency foods. I think between us here we have a few contributions here which are Hypoglicemia ADHD causing stimuli ASD resisting stimuli Sensory difficulties changes in weather Late settling to bed so lack of sleep change in school routines I am hoping to start to find a way to support him with these in mind, and you all have given me some really useful advice and ideas so thankyou for your support. We also have a MDT planned with the Disabilties CHildrens Team and they rang today so I hope we get somewhere soon. JsMum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
