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AGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh....

 

Just sat down at the kitchen table to play a boardgame with Ben...

 

He chose (electronic version) 'Game of Life'... I just picked up my Career Card and - I kid you not - got SUPERNANNY!!! Sadly top salary is only 270,000 as 'TV Children's expert' so I've plumped for 'Spy' instead :ph34r: (1,500,000)...

 

Anyhoo, back to game or I'll supernanny after me for wasting 'golden time', but thought you all should know... :whistle:

 

 

L&P

 

BD

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Can you see the 'k'? :shame: Nope. That's cause there ain't one. :lol::devil:

 

And you're supposed to be quiet about schedules, hence the shhh....

 

It's shhhedule. That'll be £10 please. :D

 

But yes, the specific pacific thing gets me - it's sp, sp, sp... :lol: Way round it is easy:

Silly Speaker: "Well the pacific task..."

Correct us (you have a choice): "Oh not that one, it's so damp..." "can't we try the Atlantic task?" - but be prepared for strange looks, though I get these most of the time, so they're normal!

 

Though I have to say, I do feel a little hypocritical when getting annoyed at people's pronunciation - I try to only correct where it's people being lazy/just wrong, rather than unable - I have problems with some words - can't say the words wall/wool or pool/pull/Paul differently or hear a difference without context. :wacko:

Your totally wrong mumble ;)

 

Did you go to shool?

Is a psychobabble word a shema?

How about shematics?

Or a back to work sheme?

Do some people have shitzophrenia?

 

:lol:

 

k or no k, its still there even if you can't see it :ph34r:

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Do some people have shitzophrenia?

I dunno, but for a very reasonable price, I'm happy to give people a professional diagnosis (well I is a professional and I can give a dx, therefore it's a professional dx... :devil:)

 

As to your pronunciation, next you'll be telling me you had ghoti and chips for tea... :eat::shame:

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I think that most people would resent the fact that an individual is making millions on the back of this situation.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/8591345/Supernanny-rides-again-Jo-Frost-interview.html

 

 

Says it all really. :tearful::tearful::tearful:

 

I didn't know that JFs background is as a nanny to a celebrity who then answered an advertisement to film a series which is what is documented in this interview.

 

A person trained as an actress who decided to be a nanny and was then a nanny for a celebrity..She then embarked on a media career on ''Supernanny''.She has made millions on the back of this career and thinks she can advise parents living in poverty who have very few choices due to current economic climate how to have quality time with their children. :angry::angry::angry::angry:

 

The fact that she is single would not bother me a bit in comparison with this.

But she did nannying for 15 years before replying to that ad - that must count for something?

 

I don't resent her for having the guts to do what she does and get paid for it at all - we live in brand society and she's definitely made herself a brand - but a brand that does something useful instead of just posing for the next aftershave or beauty product...

 

I don't see why she makes you so angry tbh - the advice she's giving is free and its up to people whether they watch it, or take that advice or completely disregard it isn't it?

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I dunno, but for a very reasonable price, I'm happy to give people a professional diagnosis (well I is a professional and I can give a dx, therefore it's a professional dx... :devil:)

 

As to your pronunciation, next you'll be telling me you had ghoti and chips for tea... :eat::shame:

:lol:

 

What's ghoti? :lol:

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:lol:

 

What's ghoti? :lol:

I shall leave you to work it out (or just Google is :rolleyes:). I used to use it when discussing strange English spelling with kids. :)

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I shall leave you to work it out (or just Google is :rolleyes:). I used to use it when discussing strange English spelling with kids. :)

Its a blooming good job google exists cuz I'd have never worked that out :P

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But she did nannying for 15 years before replying to that ad - that must count for something?

 

I don't resent her for having the guts to do what she does and get paid for it at all - we live in brand society and she's definitely made herself a brand - but a brand that does something useful instead of just posing for the next aftershave or beauty product...

 

I don't see why she makes you so angry tbh - the advice she's giving is free and its up to people whether they watch it, or take that advice or completely disregard it isn't it?

 

If you read the whole of that post.

If you want to know. The main reason I am feeling angry is that people who have worked for charity organisations and parent partnership providing excellent specialist advice on Education for years are being made redundant.Whilst JF is making millions and talking about educational issues at a very superficial level.

 

One of those people happens to be the person that taught me most of what I now know about ASD and education over many years and a person that I have a vast amount of respect for. :notworthy::notworthy::notworthy:

 

There are many other reasons.But if you have not figured them out by now I am tired of explaining.

 

I have come across lots of people who can provide people who will talk about instant cures for lots of things.Usually this is because people are being influenced or asked leading questions which JF is an expert at.After all she is a trained actress.

 

The reviews on her latest book are very mixed.Apparently as very evident in the programmes I have seen a lot of information which is very basic and has already been covered by others.

 

Edited to add.If JF is a person of inegrity who has the best intentions for the people she works with she would deplore her programme and work being used as a battering ram to hit the people she works with, a method of entertainment to belittle them and to be used to abuse other parents on a Forum such as this.

Perhaps I will send her an Email and see what she thinks.

The other thread is just as bad.

She can then decide for herself what she thinks about the way her product is being used here.

 

 

 

Karen.

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I have seen a lot of information which is very basic and has already been covered by others.

 

Karen.

 

All the more confusing then, that it all seems so new or so difficult for the parents JF encounters, but I do totally agree it is all basic, common-sense advice. Pity, then, ennit, that so many people seem to find it so challenging.

 

Sorry, but your explanation for why you are so angry makes no sense whatsoever. Jo Frost isn't responsible for the lack of provision available on the NHS, or for the inability of parents who have accessed what provision is out there to act on it. There's been lots of jokes in this thread about me being 'in love' with her or whatever and they've all been taken in good spirits, but I think it would actually be a far more accurate observation that you seem to have rally fixated on the woman or at least what she seems to represent to you. IMO it's a bit strange, actually.

 

I can't speak for anyone else, but what I have learned from watching her programme on wednesday (and pretty much all of her other programmes) is that I seem to be right in believing that in the vast majority of cases bad behaviour is not a result of 'faulty' children who are beyond control and beyond help, but the circumstances those children are subjected to. It seems, genuinely, for me a huge pity that other people don't take the same 'lesson' from it - that they continue to deny the possibility of circumstances and influences and responses etc etc as relevant to their own children's development; to effectively say 'yes, well all kids are different' despite seeing so many indications that in general terms the vast majority all seem to respond to the very basic, common-sense approaches and interventions that JF suggests.

 

Further, I would add that if over the past thirteen years I had taken the view 'well those thing won't work for MY kid' - whether citing autism as the excuse or anything else - and then not done them on the basis of that assumption they wouldn't have worked. Simple as...

 

 

L&P

 

BD

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Baddad.

I have not read any of your posts on this thread since I reported your post the other day.

I am open to learn from JF even though I do not like her programme.

I watched an exchange between JF and a little boy who was a cheerleader on Wedensdays programme.

She was excellent in demonstrating clear simple communication at a level that he could understand.

The boy was a cheerleader who was being bullied at school because of his being a cheerleader.

Being a cheerleader was his passion but some people thought he was girly and poked fun at him because he had different ideas to them.

Mum thought being a cheerleader was fine.

Dad thought it was for girls and was not being supportive.

The boy was being bullied at school because he engaged in an activity thought to be for girls.

JF explained to the boy that he should not be afraid of what he liked to do if he enjoyed it.

He should stick up for his views and not listen to those who bullied him because he liked cheerleading.

I have learned from this very helpful exchange.

You use the bits of JFs brand that you wish to use to continue to bully.

 

If JF is a person of inegrity who has the best intentions for the people she works with she would deplore her programme and work being used as a battering ram to hit the people she works with, a method of entertainment to belittle them and to be used to abuse other parents on a Forum such as this.

Perhaps I will send her an Email and see what she thinks.

The other thread is just as bad.

She can then decide for herself what she thinks about the way her product is being used here..

 

 

It is great to see JF demonstrate something I believe very strongly.

We now have seven pages of you using JF and the other programme to force through your views.For over seven days.When there are a hundred and one issues that people might be concerned about or need positive help or reasurance.

 

I will never again read any post of yours or respond to it.

I suggest that any parent or anyone else that feels the same way does likewise.

 

Like Kathryn I too am on holiday now.

I will decide while I am away whether I even want to come back.

I do not know whether this is thev best use of my time.

 

I had said myself previously that I often deal with minor iritations by not giving the child any attention.

However like you and certainly JF I believe that there is a time to put a clear boundary in place as an adult and state that a behaviour is simply not acceptable.

 

For all of the issues I might have with JF she does want to empower parents.To help them deal with their children more effectively.To give them confidence.

 

All I have read in your posts in the last year is a wish to judge parents , be critical of what you see as their limitations and rant about your own agenda.

 

 

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Another wish to put down those you see as unworthy of diagnosis.

 

First on all of the other areas of the Forum and now even in off topic.

 

It is extremely sad that a person who once appeared to be such a positive influence here appears now to feel so frustrated and angry. :(:(:(:(

 

JF is a firm believer in children taking time out to think about their actions and the impact they have on other people.

.

 

Karen.

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bulling references

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I,m very close to banging heads together!!...........baddad and Karen ..you both have strong views and put those across strongly ....to be honest this thread has covered all sides of the Jo debate...Baddad has had jokes about being in love with said lady...by various members which may or may not have offended him, and in turn has been called a bully in posts ........Karen has had other personal comments directed at her, which have upset her .To be honest my head is spinning with it all, ...draw a line under it ...or I,ll close the thread..

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...Baddad has had jokes about being in love with said lady...by various members which may or may not have offended him

 

 

Oh dear, thought that bit of joshing was actually far tamer than the Batcave days :unsure:

 

Apologies if I offended BD then :shame:

 

Bid :)

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Apologies if I offended BD then :shame:

Ditto. Sorry if I offended you BD. I thought it was a joke and I didn't mean it as anything more. :(

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Oh dear, thought that bit of joshing was actually far tamer than the Batcave days :unsure:

 

Apologies if I offended BD then :shame:

 

Bid :)

 

Hi bid -

 

I'm pretty sure you know I'm not offended by the supernanny dolly stuff because it's quite clear from me joining in. Not sure why you would say it, actually, unless using what appears to be an apology as a way of disguising (possibly endorsing?) the genuine malice of a post accusing me of 'bullying' by someone espousing opinions you very recently seem to have come to agree with.

 

Really at a loss too to understand how the two things are similar, or how they connect to a good natured, 'fun' thread that ran years ago (yes, a very long time since we had one of those...), but hey ho.

 

L&P

 

BD

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Ditto. Sorry if I offended you BD. I thought it was a joke and I didn't mean it as anything more. :(

 

 

Hi mumble - No worries. It was a joke, and taken as such.

 

L&P

 

BD

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Glad you haven't taken offence bd - I wasn't going to apologise cuz I felt like you were fine with it :thumbs: (I would have said sorry if you weren't fine with it though)

 

..................................

 

I finally watched the programme :rolleyes: very late this time ;)

 

It was a very full programme this time I thought - there's so much in it!!!

 

The main thing that stood out for me though was that the 2 longer "stories" were brilliant examples of how the parents changing their reactions etc made the situations so much better without really having to look too much at the children's behaviour, which seemed to settle really quickly after the parents adjusted what they were doing.

 

I felt like it was a good illustration that things aren't just about what the kids are doing, that its as much about the circumstances, the parents reactions and such and also other factors such as structure and routine and consistency.

 

I thought Corey was brilliant - he has a great smile :D

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I'm lost :tearful: I don't know which parts of this thread were written as jokes, which were taken as jokes when they weren't, which were mock serious and which were really serious. I don't know who's actually cross with who (if anyone is), whether people support JF and her methods or not, or whether people are saying they don't as an example of actually supporting them. I don't know if the accusations of bullying are real (as in is the bullying real and/or are the accusations jokes/real)... :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

 

Soooooo, I'm going to apply my 'unless someone tells me otherwise, it's all a joke' method. :D You have been warned. :devil:

 

BTW, did you here the one about BD, the inflatable doll and the sheep? :lol: :lol: :whistle:

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I'm lost :tearful: I don't know which parts of this thread were written as jokes, which were taken as jokes when they weren't, which were mock serious and which were really serious. I don't know who's actually cross with who (if anyone is), whether people support JF and her methods or not, or whether people are saying they don't as an example of actually supporting them. I don't know if the accusations of bullying are real (as in is the bullying real and/or are the accusations jokes/real)... :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

 

Soooooo, I'm going to apply my 'unless someone tells me otherwise, it's all a joke' method. :D You have been warned. :devil:

 

BTW, did you here the one about BD, the inflatable doll and the sheep? :lol: :lol: :whistle:

 

 

Hi Mumble -

 

No, it's very difficult without some historical context, which, unfortunately, I can't give you. I think it's safe to assume that, however inaccurate, confused, self contradictory and openly aggressive Karen A's posts should be taken at face value.

 

Mine are a bit more mixed up, because with regard to things like 'BD :wub: Supernanny' etc it's all jokes and taken in good humour, though others posting on that topic might be attaching some subtle 'barbs' to suggest that my views are second-hand or lack focus (not backed up by the evidence in any way, but that kind of thing does work as a powerful 'reinforcer' for people who want or need to believe it, iyswim).

 

Won't speak for anyone else's posts, as obviously that would be a subjective opinion, and however accurate would be 'inadmissable', esp in the face of denial!

 

But to recap:

 

I believe, and this is in no way 'judgemental' or 'bullying' or calling people 'bad' parents or any of the other things I've been accused of, that ineffective parenting is the single most likely explanation for inappropriate behaviour in children. I believe that JF's show - and many others like it - consistantly show this to be an inconvenient but undeniable 'truth'. I believe some people, for a variety of possible reasons, find that inconvenient truth to be personally very challenging. I do not believe that JF is offering a 'public service', or responsible for political changes affecting social welfare reform or anything other than a TV personality with a background in child care offering very effective help and advice to parents who have asked for it. I neither :wub: her, nor object to people making jokes - barbed or otherwise - suggesting that I do. I like seeing unhappy children appearing in the show 'turn the corner' and emerge as far more empowered, able and happy children as a consequence. I enjoy seeing the parents / other family members benefit from that too. I wish all unhappy children who were unhappy for similar reasons (ineffective parenting) were given the opportunity to live happier, more fulfilled lives too, and that any children uhnhappy for other reasons could find resolutions for their unhappiness.

 

So that's why I'm posting, and TBH I find it hard to see how anyone has come to any other conclusion aside from that 'personally challenging' conundrum I mentioned earlier, which isn't really my fault...

 

As far as that opening item, the 'historical context' goes, anyone who could be bothered could probably look back through the thread and compare what people have said with the reactions they've got, because things aren't always quite as straighforward as they seem and it can lead to confusion! :lol:

 

 

L&P

 

BD

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Yeah I heard that one - he called her baaaaarbie :lol:

 

Ewe don't want to be going there... had anything like that really happened Nanny J would have called me a baaaaaaad baaaaaaaad boy :shame: (or dad). No, I've never locked horns with her over such an issue (as she doesn't exist) so that is purely speculative. Or 'Woolly thinking'.

 

TBH, it's really getting my goat now, being the butt of everyone's jokes - I think this forum needs some net-nanny goat software.

 

L&P

 

BD

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Hi bid -

 

I'm pretty sure you know I'm not offended by the supernanny dolly stuff because it's quite clear from me joining in. Not sure why you would say it, actually, unless using what appears to be an apology as a way of disguising (possibly endorsing?) the genuine malice of a post accusing me of 'bullying' by someone espousing opinions you very recently seem to have come to agree with.

 

Really at a loss too to understand how the two things are similar, or how they connect to a good natured, 'fun' thread that ran years ago (yes, a very long time since we had one of those...), but hey ho.

 

L&P

 

BD

 

Well, I guess the Batcave analogy popped into my head because it was Suze who commented about you possibly being offended, and I was replying to her rather than you, if that makes sense...

 

Bid :wacko:

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Ewe don't want to be going there... had anything like that really happened Nanny J would have called me a baaaaaaad baaaaaaaad boy :shame: (or dad). No, I've never locked horns with her over such an issue (as she doesn't exist) so that is purely speculative. Or 'Woolly thinking'.

 

TBH, it's really getting my goat now, being the butt of everyone's jokes - I think this forum needs some net-nanny goat software.

L&P

 

BD

I'm sorry :P I couldn't help it - I honestly tried to stop myself (for about a millisecond) :lol: I just couldn't resist :devil:

 

Mwah ha ha ha - feeling baaaad today hehe - think I'd better get on that naughty step space for 30 mins :shame:

 

 

But in all seriousness

I'm lost :tearful: I don't know which parts of this thread were written as jokes, which were taken as jokes when they weren't, which were mock serious and which were really serious. I don't know who's actually cross with who (if anyone is), whether people support JF and her methods or not, or whether people are saying they don't as an example of actually supporting them. I don't know if the accusations of bullying are real (as in is the bullying real and/or are the accusations jokes/real)... :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

This pretty much covers how I feel too - there have been certain aspects that just do not make sense at all but I want to answer for myself here in the hope of more clarity.

 

My participation in the joking at BD was meant in playful fun

 

The rest of my posts have been either serious discussion of what I think of the show or they have been conversations about other people's views - of which some have been clearer than others to me....

 

I'm pretty much in agreement with BD with his answer (of which I'm only posting part to save space and since this is the key reason I watch the shows too)

 

I like seeing unhappy children appearing in the show 'turn the corner' and emerge as far more empowered, able and happy children as a consequence. I enjoy seeing the parents / other family members benefit from that too. I wish all unhappy children who were unhappy for similar reasons (ineffective parenting) were given the opportunity to live happier, more fulfilled lives too, and that any children uhnhappy for other reasons could find resolutions for their unhappiness.

 

In addition to all this I also have an interest because I have an interest - I like learning things and find the discussion with people who are parents very interesting because it adds an element that I do not know - and also because nobody in my house ever wants to discuss the show (when they actually watch it on the rare times I pull tv rank) to this degree. As far as I'm concerned any debate that occurs is just that - a debate - I don't think we have to agree here but I don't see that I've been arguing or anything like that to be disruptive - anything I've asked has been asked in order to understand what someone is trying to say.

 

Best

 

Darkshine

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If you read back through my post you,ll see , I said Baddad may or not be offended. ,not that he was..... however I,m sure everyone can appreciate that there is more than light hearted banter going on here as the 2 members concerned have openly referred to each other in their own threads in a critical way .

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Suze.

Please don't bother to do any more.

I have had enough of this place.

I came back for four weeks and gave it a go but it is not worth wasting my time on.

I have not read Baddads comments because I don't intend to.

But if others think it is funny when I was awake half the night then that says it all.

Just do one thing for me.

If you do close this thread then please leave it on Forum.

I think it needs to be seen.

There are some people here who are just like unruly children in the playground.

One last footnote.

Anyone interested may like to look up google on an episode of Suppernanny in America.

She apparently got remarkable results working with anothrr professional who used similar methods to ABA.

http://education.ucsb.edu/autism/specialevents.html

 

Yes Mumble it is for real unfortunately.One of the problems here is that with Baddad nobody would know what is for real and what is not.It is called manipulation and it is very unpleasant. :tearful::tearful::tearful:

 

Karen.

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Karen I don't know you - but if you aren't reading Baddads comments then I don't see what else on this thread could upset/offend you? You and BD appear to have history so what may make sense to you and him obviously isn't making sense to many of us who are newer to the forums and don't know what the background to that is.

 

Other than the discussions between you two, the thread has generally been about the show and peoples views on it - I'm not seeing any unruly or childish comments - apart from the very obvious jokes which have mostly been aimed at BD who has taken them in the spirit they were intended.

 

I haven't seen anyone commenting on you being up half the night - in fact I haven't even seen it mentioned till your post now - I can't see who would laugh given that many of us (myself included) are in the same position in terms of not getting much sleep.

 

I'm sorry you feel the need to leave but I don't think it's necessary - if one persons posts wind you up, just don't read them.

 

Lynne

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Karen - if you call people manipulative / whatever don't expect them to treat you with kid gloves. I don't think anyone can be confused or feel manipulated by anything I've posted - I've been pretty much saying the same things throughout. I haven't gone off on tangents talking about how much sleep I have or haven't been getting, how reality TV like Supernanny is part of (or enabling - I'm not quite sure of your point on this?)some government plot, accusing people of 'libel', or anything like that.

 

TBH I'm pretty hacked off at this point with the nastiness of the accusations that have been made about me (thank you mods, for deleting some of them) and my reasons for posting, and the lack of acknowledgement I've received regarding the generally very reasonable responses I've posted to them. If I occasionally do snap back is that really that unexpected / unreasonable?

 

Lynden, I would point out that karenA and I have no history other than that she regular takes offence to things I post and seems to take them personally. As far as Karen goes, that and her own posts on the open forum are the only 'historical' factors I'm referring to. I've never met Karen, wouldn't know her if she passed me in the streets, have never sent her an unsolicited PM (which adds to my confusion when she posts stuff about 'having to' block me in messaging :wacko: as she has said on line several times), or in any way done anything to attract the kind of accusations she has regularly posted about me other than to disagree with her on some issues. That's not me 'having a dig' or 'blaming' or 'manipulating' or anything else and I'm certainly not referring to anything that Karen A hasn't herself posted about in the past. I do understand the reasons, from those historical posts, why she may feel challenged by some things I say and I do sympathise with any parent who feels challenged by the kinds of issues a programme like Jo Frost's might bring up or by me (or anyone else) reiterating them, but that certainly doesn't make it 'wrong' of me to hold or voice those opinions or to make observations on the issue, and it's certainly not a good enough reason for 'gagging' either myself or anyone else who feels that parenting is a significant factor in child development or a relevant topic on a forum where people regularly ask for parenting advice or post about children with behavioural management issues.

 

Anyhooo...

 

Now personally, whether karen decides to stay / go / sue me for libel / report me to Jo Frost /whatever i really would like this topic to get somewhere close to back on track or even just descend into a 'fun' thread exploring (in an inoffensive way) the various perving possibilities arising from inflatables and/or 'dressing up'. What I would like to see stopped, however, are the continual nasty accusations that are being made, and the completely unreasonable expectation that I continue to 'turn the other cheek' - which, lets face it, should be obvious to everyone by now just aint gonna happen! :lol:

 

Talking of 'dressing up' have you seen that advert for a dating agency called 'uniforms are us' or something? Knowing my luck, I'd join up hoping for a naughty nurse and end up with some boiler in a boiler suit... 'Yes, I do work at the hospital.. I look after the incinerators...'

 

L&P

 

BD

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Talking of 'dressing up' have you seen that advert for a dating agency called 'uniforms are us' or something? Knowing my luck, I'd join up hoping for a naughty nurse and end up with some boiler in a boiler suit... 'Yes, I do work at the hospital.. I look after the incinerators...'

That's the most stoopid agency I've seen (if I've understood their TV ad correctly). They claim they're a uniform dating agency but to join you don't have to wear a uniform or like those who wear them :huh: So a dating agency then... :rolleyes::lol:

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Now... I really think we should try to move this thread away from the topics of vinyl and dating etc...

 

So some nice music instead:

 

 

L&P

 

BD :D

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That's the most stoopid agency I've seen (if I've understood their TV ad correctly). They claim they're a uniform dating agency but to join you don't have to wear a uniform or like those who wear them :huh: So a dating agency then... :rolleyes::lol:

AAAAAAARGH - don't mention uniforms!!!! My entire project from hell is on uniforms - I never wanna hear that word ever again :lol::P

 

Now... I really think we should try to move this thread away from the topics of vinyl and dating etc...

 

So some nice music instead:

Errr - you mentioned it :D

 

And although that music is "nice" its a little dreary for a weekend...

 

How about this instead ;)

 

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How about this instead ;)

 

Plan B - the acceptable face of pap.

 

I don't think you paid quite enough attention to the lyrics of that 'dreary' roxy music song... the words , 'tongue', 'cheek' and 'in' come to mind, though not necessarily in that order... :whistle:

 

Coming back to plan B for a mo - he always reminds me of a young Alexi Sayle... and TBH I'd rather listen to 'ullo John, got a new motor?' any day! :lol::devil:

 

 

You can't get a light and bitter in Miami - lovely, you must be sophisticated...

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Plan B - the acceptable face of pap.

 

I don't think you paid quite enough attention to the lyrics of that 'dreary' roxy music song... the words , 'tongue', 'cheek' and 'in' come to mind, though not necessarily in that order... :whistle:

I so did listen to the lyrics - which is exactly why I picked a more trashy yet catchy song with a video that can be pulled to pieces :P so there nyah :lol:

 

Maybe this is more to your/everyone's taste?

 

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Maybe this is more to your/everyone's taste?

 

 

 

Not mine! I remember vomiting because of that the first time it appeared on the forum! Bit too sweet for my tooth!

 

Some NIN would be nice :) (But from the quieter 'ghosts' CD and with no sweary bits...)

 

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Not mine! I remember vomiting because of that the first time it appeared on the forum! Bit too sweet for my tooth!

 

Some NIN would be nice :) (But from the quieter 'ghosts' CD and with no sweary bits...)

 

:whistle:

This is my fave

 

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Just thought I'd add that not all NIN has sweary bits - "a warm place" and "lights in the sky" are both quite mellow/depressingly nice too :)

 

They did a pretty random version of gary numan's "metal" as well.

 

But don't get me started on NIN or I'll go on all day ;)

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"Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah" Loved the little bruv egging on big bruv to steal the biccies - looters of tomorrow? :devil::lol:

 

I didn't agree with Frosty's advice on dealing with the little girl who wouldn't eat. I can't believe she was suggesting that it was okay to let the girl starve to the point she ended up in hospital on a drip. That isn't no big deal and could be quite traumatic to the child. No, I don't have an alternative, but I'm not an expert in child rearing and there must be some less drastic alternative. :(

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http://www.channel4.com/programmes/jo-frost-extreme-parental-guidance/4od#3216841

 

For all you late viewers - like me ;)

 

I'm at the first ad break and they've already shown that little kid going "yeeees" while his brother steals something in the kitchen at least twice now - he is absolutely brilliant - naughty - but brilliant :D

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"Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah" Loved the little bruv egging on big bruv to steal the biccies

 

I'm at the first ad break and they've already shown that little kid going "yeeees" while his brother steals something in the kitchen at least twice now - he is absolutely brilliant - naughty - but brilliant

 

I did warn you, didn't I? :lol:

 

Another seriously garjuss kid I happened to see 't'other day on something on BBC3 called 'Cherry's parenting dilema' (I think?). A new first time mum realising thet it wasn't gonna be quite as straightforward as she had thought looking at different parenting 'styles' and weighing up the pros and cons. Her baby is and absolute sweetie! :wub:

 

As for JF tonight... quite controversial and 'challenging' re the 'won't eat anything but chocolate 'n' stuff', but I think fundamentally she is right... You have to look to the bigger picture, and while it aint very nice you have to weigh it against a potential lifetime of poor eating habits, rotten teeth, eating disorders, poor health etc etc. Plus, a child who exerts that much control over their eating is likely to want that much control over other aspects of their life, and once the precedent is set that M&D will cave in if you dig your heels in hard enough it's a done deal. :(

 

Additionally, it goes without saying that by the time it gets to the kind of battle talked about in the show there have already been all sorts of skirmishes where M&D have folded before. Had it been 'nipped in the bud' rather than allowed to develop as far as it did it needn't have been anywhere near so dramatic. AND, additionally again, how reliable is the M&D's assertion that she had 'eaten nothing for seven days'? Chances are there's a bit of creative accounting going on there, and what they're actually saying is she hasn't eaten a meal for seven days, and the 'odd' biscuit, petit filous, bar of choklitt has found its way into the equation but without anyone bothering to pass it through the scanner, as it were. I've seen this many, many times - more often linked to over-eating and obesity etc, but effectively exactly the same process. Not sure I would be able to be that dispassionate about it were it my own kid, but I can say that I wouldn't have let it get to that stage in the first place, because when ben was playing the 'only eat chicken nuggets' game I did nip it in the bud...

 

One really 'forum relevant' section of the show, IMO, was the 11yr old aggressive kid who was knocking his parents about. The parents said they had seen just about every professional available to them and it clearly showed when the kid quoted the 'text book' explanation to camera for his behaviour... Bullied at school, held it in until he got home where he felt 'safe' to release it on the family. Classic description of something seen time and time and time again on the forum, straight from the horses (kids) mouth... But of course, it wasn't that at all, and the kid was in fact just spouting verbatim all of the excuses that had been offered him on a plate by those clever counsellors (like Tony Attwood) who look for very, very complex explanations for very, very simple behaviours. Jo did look fully into the situation at school, and guess what - the school were responding to all of the issues in school really well and really comprehensively. All of the issues contributing to the aggression etc, including the boy's self esteem issues, were arising from the home dynamic. :whistle:

 

Anyone notice the mum talking about breast feeding her three year old? Did anyone else get the impression that as Jo was talking to her it was going in one ear and out the other? when her daughter is still chewing her nipples off at five she'll probably still be blaming it on the advice she's been given rather than what appeared to be a total disinclination to act on it. Ho hum...

 

L&P

 

BD

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