Gary is not going!! The tories do something right for once!!

[matzoball]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19957138

 

So happy

Edited October 16, 2012 by matzoball

[raydon]

Me too

 

It was reading about his case that I came to find out what Aspergers was.

 

That is such good news! .

Edited October 16, 2012 by raydon

[SidiousUK]

They have done the right thing - shame it took them so long and kept the poor guy and his family hanging in limbo.

I think that thanks to Gary, Aspergers is now more hi profile than it was before and he has helped others recognise their AS for what it is and sought a diagnosis

[sesley]

so glad ,but he should be tried in a Uk court for the accusations made against him.

[Canopus]

What I find absolutely sickening is the case of double standards in justice by extraditing the poet Talha Ahsan, who also has AS, to the United States just a few days beforehand after spending 6 years detained in prison in the UK without trial.

 

http://www.channel4.com/news/mckinnon-and-ahsan-a-tale-of-two-extraditions

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/why-do-politicians-celebrities-and-the-media-flock-to-gary-mckinnons-cause-but-stay-silent-about-the-likes-of-talha-ahsan-from-tooting-8215138.html

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/16/gary-mckinnon-talha-ahsan-babar-ahmad_n_1969651.html

 

http://freetalha.org/about/

 

To make matters worse, Gary McKinnon has admitted to his crimes whereas Talha Ahsan has pleaded innocent and has so far been refused a trial.

 

It's an extremely bad case of rough justice and the NAS have been hostile towards him. The media have smeared him by lumping him along with Abu Hamza who was extradited on the same day and has previously stood trial in the UK and sentenced to jail here. Personally I think Talha Ahsan is doomed and may even die in solitary confinement before his trial in the US in October 2013. His family have heard nothing from him since the 5th October.

[sesley]

i read about that too,its terrible,that poor man must be in a lot of stress,i hope the American autism society can help him.

[LancsLad]

Canopus fair comments. I do not personally know either individual, nor have I been through all the evidence presented to the prosectution services who wish to bring a case against them.

 

What I would say is one story had a resonance with the Daily Mail and the other one didn't. Gary McKinnon's mother was at pains to thank the Daily Mail in her press conference. If it is the case that newspapers can exert influence over the Home Secetary that is a worrying position.

 

It will beinteresting to see if Gary McKinnon is charged with offences in this country, from what I have read many believe he should be, whether or not he is fit to face trial is another matter. If he is not then every effort should be made with therapy to bring him to a position where he could. For example we have situations for minors where they can give evidence in court via video link in a less stressful environement. If we say he could never face trial then i believe we are in danger of setting a very bad precedent here in respect to the wider AS community.

 

The reality is there will be sex offenders out there who have AS. If we say for example Jimmy Saville was a bit different and had an odd personality, and retrospectivly give him a diagnosis of Asperger's would that change everything?

 

Just a few thoughts.

[Canopus]

i read about that too,its terrible,that poor man must be in a lot of stress,i hope the American autism society can help him.

 

The information that I have gathered is that he is a completely unheard of individual on the other side of the Atlantic and only made it into the news after he was extradited. Even the highly controversial Abu Hamza isn't all that well known. Remember that the American media is very localised and reports far less international news than the British media does. It is believed that Talha Ahsan in detained in solitary confinement and cut off from the outside world under Special Administrative Measures where he can only communicate with his lawyer who is restricted from conveying information about his health to his family or outside organisations.

[LancsLad]

Canopus that is what I find so frustrating about these two cases. From what I understand Garry McKinnon could have easily been offered a plea bargaining scneario which mean't he might have served a year or even less, far from the media spin of adding all the maximum verdicts together and comming to 60 and calling it life. Hovever I believe the American authorities will still have wanted a large public case as they were very embarassed by what the damage he did do and as such his mental health state may well not be stable enough to face such a process though he might be able to cope with the outcome. As I have said I am not privy to every detail.

 

When it comes to Talha Ahsan there are real double standards here. Again I am not privy to all the details but the whole thing strikes me it is about politics and nothing to do with justice. You make a very good point that individuals simply get coveniently lost within the American system. We should be aware of this and insist only 'civilian' charges are brought against our citizens before they are handed over. As such we can at least maintain access to them to ensure justice takes place. In the current set up governments are in a position to lock people up and simply throw away the key, as such governments are not serving citizens they are simply protecting themselves.

[trekster]

What I find absolutely sickening is the case of double standards in justice by extraditing the poet Talha Ahsan, who also has AS, to the United States just a few days beforehand after spending 6 years detained in prison in the UK without trial.

 

I am also disgusted by these double standards sounds like islamophobia all over again. I really hope it is more likely for him to get a fair trail than for pigs to fly. My thoughts are with his family as long as my congratulations are with Garys.

 

http://www.channel4....wo-extraditions

 

http://www.independe...ng-8215138.html

 

http://www.huffingto..._n_1969651.html

 

http://freetalha.org/about/

 

To make matters worse, Gary McKinnon has admitted to his crimes whereas Talha Ahsan has pleaded innocent and has so far been refused a trial.

 

Thank you for the links I will look through them and hope a documentary is being done on the man.

 

It's an extremely bad case of rough justice and the NAS have been hostile towards him. The media have smeared him by lumping him along with Abu Hamza who was extradited on the same day and has previously stood trial in the UK and sentenced to jail here. Personally I think Talha Ahsan is doomed and may even die in solitary confinement before his trial in the US in October 2013. His family have heard nothing from him since the 5th October.

 

1 whole year before he gets a fair hearing? Surely that is against his human rights? As if the Guantamino and Afghanistan US soldiers on trail weren't enough. Where's the justice in this world for people like Talha?

[trekster]

The information that I have gathered is that he is a completely unheard of individual on the other side of the Atlantic and only made it into the news after he was extradited. Even the highly controversial Abu Hamza isn't all that well known. Remember that the American media is very localised and reports far less international news than the British media does. It is believed that Talha Ahsan in detained in solitary confinement and cut off from the outside world under Special Administrative Measures where he can only communicate with his lawyer who is restricted from conveying information about his health to his family or outside organisations.

 

He has been mentioned in Asperger United a few times including his website. freetahla . The situation reminds me of the child writing all over the walls 'I EXIST' in a distressed state. There is a campaign to free the man,

 

http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/wandsworthnews/9988236.Babar_Ahmad_s_family_speak_out_over_extradition__double_standards_/?ref=fbrec

 

http://freetalha.org/about/timeline-of-events/

[Canopus]

I recommend watching the video Extradition by Turab Shah. It is very moving.

 

http://extraditionfilm.com/