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The World Needs All Kinds of Minds ~ Temple Grandin on TED

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Now this may be on this website somewhere, but I can't be bothered looking, but if it's not, it needs to be, maybe a sticky to improve the mood when it's down, but Temple Grandin speaks on TED.

 

This is the truth of us, it's not a disorder ;

 

 

 

Yes, it may look like it sometimes and especially those with children, but when you are down turn to Temple Grandin for she is correct in what she says, the world does indeed need all kinds of minds and to dumb down is removing something important from mankind's future.

 

Notice what she says in opening, Tesla and Einstein what would they be labelled in the past with ASD and received that disorder status, would the world of today be deficit through lack of their discoveries, think about that and what we may be allowing to be removed from the future.

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This, believe it or not, is the first I've seen anything by / of Temple Grandin. I know, shame on me!!

 

I found this really interesting... and how true about the need for unique minds. What would the world be like if everyone was the same? Does it even really bear thinking about?

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I particular liked her remark about the cavemen sitting round the fire socialising and the guy with Asperger's making a spear :-)

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I particular liked her remark about the cavemen sitting round the fire socialising and the guy with Asperger's making a spear :-)

 

She knows us and herself well and is a far more positive advocate for us than the diminishing psycho babble we are subjected to. But the example you quoted, does anyone see know socialising is not the be all and end all of life, as if we all sit around talking nothing will get done.

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She knows us and herself well and is a far more positive advocate for us than the diminishing psycho babble we are subjected to. But the example you quoted, does anyone see know socialising is not the be all and end all of life, as if we all sit around talking nothing will get done.

 

 

She's the kind of person we need in our corner, not someone who'll apologise for who / how we are. Afterall, why should we be embarrassed or ashamed of having AS / ASD? I saw your point about positivity and would have to agree, that if this was met with more positivity people would see that having AS / ASD doesn't need to be a disadvantage at all in many cases (granted there are some cases whereby people need more help and support than others).

 

If children were encouraged to develop their talents and skills there's no telling what would become of them, rather than being moulded into a more 'normal' child.

 

Socialising might not be the be all and end all of life, but sometimes, just sometimes I wish I was better at it on a 'friend' level as every so often I feel a little lonely. I don't crave human company as such though.

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I was lonely, I am not anymore I can cope with my own company and can always find something to amuse myself with to take my mind off those moments when loneliness does creep in.

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I was lonely, I am not anymore I can cope with my own company and can always find something to amuse myself with to take my mind off those moments when loneliness does creep in.

 

 

I guess that's the best way isn't it, distraction?

 

I think this feeling for me is a bit ironic, as I never really remember feeling it until just recently, and even now it's not a constant, just fleeting and not very often. I've always been good at being in my own company, and find that if I can't have my own space I really suffer... but I wondered if it was something to do with me getting older and contemplating life as an oldie when my family have gone their own ways ;)

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I guess that's the best way isn't it, distraction?

 

I think this feeling for me is a bit ironic, as I never really remember feeling it until just recently, and even now it's not a constant, just fleeting and not very often. I've always been good at being in my own company, and find that if I can't have my own space I really suffer... but I wondered if it was something to do with me getting older and contemplating life as an oldie when my family have gone their own ways ;)

 

Yes, I have had that one, the age thing and that was I do believe the motivation for the loneliness thing as I have had a family, step children and step grand children, seen kids born and done all the baby yukky stuff, but that ended when my marriage ended. But it's not over yet, who knows what the future holds and if it doesn't hold anything I will get a dog, wouldn't mind a collie again.

 

( Then I can have good old tactile fun picking up stuff with plastic bags turned inside out)

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Yes, I have had that one, the age thing and that was I do believe the motivation for the loneliness thing as I have had a family, step children and step grand children, seen kids born and done all the baby yukky stuff, but that ended when my marriage ended. But it's not over yet, who knows what the future holds and if it doesn't hold anything I will get a dog, wouldn't mind a collie again.

 

( Then I can have good old tactile fun picking up stuff with plastic bags turned inside out)

 

That made me laugh!! Not the bit about having had a family and then not, but the bit about the dog and the 'fun'. I, too, hate that part of it, but as a responsible dog owner I do my thing... besides which the joy, love and companionship she brings me far outweighs that chore! I do wish she'd stop insisting on going upwards of three times per walk though... there are not that many bins where I am :/ HAHA

 

 

A long time ago I decided that my ideal 'retirement' or whatever would be living in a log cabin, with two huskies... now it could be Lottie and a husky... but two dogs nonetheless. A friend once asked what about people? I said, ok, well they can live nearby, but that'd be close enough! The dogs win!

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That made me laugh!! Not the bit about having had a family and then not, but the bit about the dog and the 'fun'. I, too, hate that part of it, but as a responsible dog owner I do my thing... besides which the joy, love and companionship she brings me far outweighs that chore! I do wish she'd stop insisting on going upwards of three times per walk though... there are not that many bins where I am :/ HAHA

 

I was being serious as having done the yukky baby thing I have picked up without plastic bags before as what is it really, just a bunch of chemicals and cellulose and one can wash their hands if they want to afterwards. I have also worked in sewers so really it doesn't bother me, it is after all natural and with dogs and children, you have paid for it, so you may as well hold it before you throw it away.

 

A long time ago I decided that my ideal 'retirement' or whatever would be living in a log cabin, with two huskies... now it could be Lottie and a husky... but two dogs nonetheless. A friend once asked what about people? I said, ok, well they can live nearby, but that'd be close enough! The dogs win!

 

A Swedish Torp will do me like the one my father used to own about ten miles from the nearest village in the forest of Sweden, that place had it's own wolverine living under the wood work shop/ smithy/ guest house and they had a skogkatt as a pet it used to go and keep the wolverine company. The place had an elk trail through it and they did wander through early in the morning and there was bears around which were not often seen unless they were hungry. Oh and with the property came about twenty acres of hunting forest. The Torp was sold complete for about £15000, yes, that cheap the further out you go into the skog away from civilisation, the cheaper it got and the first one, a stuga sold for £6000. So if you want log cabin in the woods, head to Sweden, they are only an hour from the UK by air, and the place is so clean and the people are respectful.

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I was being serious as having done the yukky baby thing I have picked up without plastic bags before as what is it really, just a bunch of chemicals and cellulose and one can wash their hands if they want to afterwards. I have also worked in sewers so really it doesn't bother me, it is after all natural and with dogs and children, you have paid for it, so you may as well hold it before you throw it away.

 

A Swedish Torp will do me like the one my father used to own about ten miles from the nearest village in the forest of Sweden, that place had it's own wolverine living under the wood work shop/ smithy/ guest house and they had a skogkatt as a pet it used to go and keep the wolverine company. The place had an elk trail through it and they did wander through early in the morning and there was bears around which were not often seen unless they were hungry. Oh and with the property came about twenty acres of hunting forest. The Torp was sold complete for about £15000, yes, that cheap the further out you go into the skog away from civilisation, the cheaper it got and the first one, a stuga sold for £6000. So if you want log cabin in the woods, head to Sweden, they are only an hour from the UK by air, and the place is so clean and the people are respectful.

 

I don't think I could stomach working in sewers... although as a kid me and my brother would ride around with my dad when he was emptying out drains and sewage. How our minds change how we think of what's cool and not so cool to do!!

 

Wow... so cheap!? That's really cool... I'd love to live out in the middle of nowhere. Peace and tranquility... but the ability to go into civilisation should the need arise. Sounds like an idyllic life, this that you describe of your father in Sweden. I have never been to Sweden but hear that it is immeasurably beautiful.

 

I am quite taken with Finland, and recall the first time I'd ever been, going to Helsinki and the feeling I got from even stepping off the plane and onto the bus toward my hotel was one of feeling at home. Considering I'd grown up in Perth, and not the one in Scotland, that might seem odd given Helsinki is quite the opposite in many ways, mostly the heat factor, but it was hard to describe. I felt at one there. There was some kind of peace, even in the heart of the city. I also like Norway a lot. It is very strange though, as a child, I never dreamed of being able to visit such places and I always wanted to live in such a way in either Alaska, Finland or Norway. Now to visit Alaska!! ;)

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I don't think I could stomach working in sewers... although as a kid me and my brother would ride around with my dad when he was emptying out drains and sewage. How our minds change how we think of what's cool and not so cool to do!!

 

Wow... so cheap!? That's really cool... I'd love to live out in the middle of nowhere. Peace and tranquility... but the ability to go into civilisation should the need arise. Sounds like an idyllic life, this that you describe of your father in Sweden. I have never been to Sweden but hear that it is immeasurably beautiful.

 

 

A more expensive one closer to civilisation but still cheap compared to Britain

 

That is about the size of the one my father had, literally a two up and two down, perfectly liveable and excellent all year round as they don't suffer cold from the ground as they have no foundations, they build direct onto stones placed on the ground and the floors are raised inside. Being wooden they expand and contact with the weather and many say the sounds inside are just like the sounds one hears from below decks on a wooden sailing ship, but with the ability to flex wind doesn't destroy them. But living in one close the bedroom door at night, next morning it's open just showing how much the place flexed through the night, enough to unhook a door latch.

 

I am quite taken with Finland, and recall the first time I'd ever been, going to Helsinki and the feeling I got from even stepping off the plane and onto the bus toward my hotel was one of feeling at home. Considering I'd grown up in Perth, and not the one in Scotland, that might seem odd given Helsinki is quite the opposite in many ways, mostly the heat factor, but it was hard to describe. I felt at one there. There was some kind of peace, even in the heart of the city. I also like Norway a lot. It is very strange though, as a child, I never dreamed of being able to visit such places and I always wanted to live in such a way in either Alaska, Finland or Norway. Now to visit Alaska!! ;)

 

The northern countries of Scandinavia has a lot going for it, Finland I have not been to but I understand a member of the Swedish side of the family is Sami and their territory is the top end of all three countries, they wander were they like with their herds. I did go to Estonia and Latvia though oh and Gotland, but the summer in Scandinavia though short is fierce far hotter than here and they are sensible with the winter every car has a second set of wheels with studded snow tyres and everyone changes at the same time. The sound of studded tyres reminds me of a dog skittering across the kitchen floor, but they don't poison their water table with salt in the winter, their nature is too precious for that, they grit the roads with gravel and in the spring send out crews to hoover it back up for use the next winter. Heavy snow drifts they just scoop up with earth moving equipment and dump it in fields at the side of the road. No hassles they just get one with it unlike here were we go into headless chicken mode every winter.

 

Oh and Sweden, fantastic for massage they even have masseurs in companies and it is seen as a benefit to health and wellbeing that promotes better work, a brilliant ethos.

 

Me, I always wanted to go to Iceland the land of fire and ice ever since remembering the news reports of the island of Surtsey coming out of the Atlantic.

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A more expensive one closer to civilisation but still cheap compared to Britain

 

That is about the size of the one my father had, literally a two up and two down, perfectly liveable and excellent all year round as they don't suffer cold from the ground as they have no foundations, they build direct onto stones placed on the ground and the floors are raised inside. Being wooden they expand and contact with the weather and many say the sounds inside are just like the sounds one hears from below decks on a wooden sailing ship, but with the ability to flex wind doesn't destroy them. But living in one close the bedroom door at night, next morning it's open just showing how much the place flexed through the night, enough to unhook a door latch.

 

The northern countries of Scandinavia has a lot going for it, Finland I have not been to but I understand a member of the Swedish side of the family is Sami and their territory is the top end of all three countries, they wander were they like with their herds. I did go to Estonia and Latvia though oh and Gotland, but the summer in Scandinavia though short is fierce far hotter than here and they are sensible with the winter every car has a second set of wheels with studded snow tyres and everyone changes at the same time. The sound of studded tyres reminds me of a dog skittering across the kitchen floor, but they don't poison their water table with salt in the winter, their nature is too precious for that, they grit the roads with gravel and in the spring send out crews to hoover it back up for use the next winter. Heavy snow drifts they just scoop up with earth moving equipment and dump it in fields at the side of the road. No hassles they just get one with it unlike here were we go into headless chicken mode every winter.

 

Oh and Sweden, fantastic for massage they even have masseurs in companies and it is seen as a benefit to health and wellbeing that promotes better work, a brilliant ethos.

 

Me, I always wanted to go to Iceland the land of fire and ice ever since remembering the news reports of the island of Surtsey coming out of the Atlantic.

 

That is really quite interesting how they build to suit the environment isn't it? A lot could be learnt from them. I know that a new build not far from us, a retirement village, has a lot of wood in the structure, more so than most, for that exact reason. It is also to cut down on heating / cooling costs, makes sense.

 

Do tell me about it!! I have experienced Finland and Norway in the summer and it was much hotter than a hot day here... reminded me of the start of summer back home. I found it pretty unbearable at times actually, esp as most of the time I was photographing a festival all day.

 

I keep saying about winter tyres and how I think they should become compulsory here if the winters continue to be so cold / snowy. It'd save a lot of trauma with the snow. It's strange but I love the sound of the tyres, maybe it just means winter to me :) I too love the fact that everything is so clean and almost pure. It makes so much more sense the way they do the gritting and then recycle it all again doesn't it!?

 

Maybe the powers that be could learn a heck of a lot from our Scandinavian friends!

 

Ahhh now Iceland would be amazing to travel to and explore. It's definitely on my list of 'to go to' places.

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I particular liked her remark about the cavemen sitting round the fire socialising and the guy with Asperger's making a spear :-)

I suspect that if the entire human race were autistic some of us would still be stuck in caves obsessing over the rock formations. ;)

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I suspect that if the entire human race were autistic some of us would still be stuck in caves obsessing over the rock formations. ;)

But we would most likely be focused in wonderment of nature not stressing over targets and tying to create the impression that we are something we aren't.

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Here's an interesting interview with Temple Grandin on Grist.

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On ‎26‎/‎01‎/‎2013 at 11:24 PM, Sa Skimrande said:

The northern countries of Scandinavia has a lot going for it, Finland I have not been to but I understand a member of the Swedish side of the family is Sami and their territory is the top end of all three countries, they wander where they like with their herds. I did go to Estonia and Latvia though oh and Gotland, but the summer in Scandinavia though short is fierce far hotter than here and they are sensible with the winter every car has a second set of wheels with studded snow tyres and everyone changes at the same time. The sound of studded tyres reminds me of a dog skittering across the kitchen floor, but they don't poison their water table with salt in the winter, their nature is too precious for that, they grit the roads with gravel and in the spring send out crews to hoover it back up for use the next winter. Heavy snow drifts they just scoop up with earth moving equipment and dump it in fields at the side of the road. No hassles they just get one with it unlike here were we go into headless chicken mode every winter.

Oh and Sweden, fantastic for massage they even have masseurs in companies and it is seen as a benefit to health and wellbeing that promotes better work, a brilliant ethos.

Me, I always wanted to go to Iceland the land of fire and ice ever since remembering the news reports of the island of Surtsey coming out of the Atlantic.

This other thread may be of interest:

Finland is offering free trips to people in need of happiness lessons

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Created new thread for Finland competition

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