bedwetting

[dorsetmummy]

We went to see the school nurse today, shes the only one realy so far that has been any help to us.

 

Sophie has day wetting and night wetting problems, she has never been dry at night, and has loads of accidents during the day.

 

We are going to keep a chart of how she gets on during the day, and also a chart for the night.

 

It was decided that she would have the buzzer/bell device, but me being me i didnt think to raise this question.

 

Sophie has problems getting to sleep, especially the last two nights after having gone back to school after the exclusion. now we are going to stick a think on her that rings when she wets!!! errrrrm loud noises and having to get out of bed and go to toilet , if she does? not sure how we will cope with that, me thinks it mights cause more distress.

 

What are your thoughts?, has anyone any experience of these devices?

 

Julie

[baddad]

Hi Julie -

No experience of this, but the one thing that does come to mind is what is the purpose of the chart? If you are trying to establish predictable patterns for interventions, I guess it could be worthwhile, but it seems illogical to look at night patterns if the day pattern indicates (as it almost certainly does) that she is not recognising the body signals anyway(?) If she's wetting repeatedly at night, then waking her up after the event every time seems ridiculously labour intensive/intrusive/problematic for all concerned... Sleep is NOT a luxury any of us can do without. That said though, if you COULD identify some sort of pattern that wasn't overly intrusive (maybe twice a night) then you might be able to circumvent the accidents without too much upheavel, which has got to be a good thing.

My suggestion would be to start any sort of chart keeping on a Friday night, and keep that weekend free as possible for catching up on sleep with lie ins.

Whatever you decide to do, very VERY best with it...

Hopefully someone'll haps along in a mo who's been in your position, and can offer some more solid advice.

L&P

BD

[dorsetmummy]

thankyou for your reply,

 

Thats a good idea starting it on a fri night, i wouldnt have thought of that!!

 

The purpose of the chart would be to establish patterns, errrrrr if everyday and everynight is a pattern!!

 

I have got to wait a week for the alarm to come anyway, so in the meantime will raise this thought with the school nurse, i just didnt think to ask today, you never do do you?

 

Julie

[madme]

tend to agree. My son ( dx adhd as and dyspraxia as well as small irrittable bladder) has been under hospital for over a year. He has daytime and nightime probs. He finds that when wants to go has to. His bladder is currently less than half capacity and we have been prescribed tolderidine and desmopressin which have had little effect todate, He needs to increase bladder capacity in the day first. No hope of night probs being solved until then. contact www.eric.org.uk if havent already. Hope you have a radar key see advice section. We have tried alarms etc to no avail. We seea specialist neurolgist- following referral from paeds. If no control, in day that needs to be resolved first. Has there been bladder testing etc? If not contact eric helpine who will help. Good Luck. Hope you get free nappies for what they are worth.

[CarerQuie]

Some of the night time probs can take time to resolve.My NT son had a problem and it resolved when he was 14,although the Consultant said that he might well be 21 before it cleared up.(His nerve endings had not fully developed.)

 

He never woke up when the buzzer went off;it always woke me-so it was pointless.

 

I don't want to go that route with my ASD son because he is sensitive to certain tones and pitches and I think that the buzzer might well cause sensory probs.xx

[reuby2]

my son is using a alarm at night at the moment.During summer he had one that went under the sheet and made a very loud noise and within a few weeks he was starting to get dry in fact he went to 4 weeks in a row dry and we thought he had cracked it so we stopped using it, gave it back to the nurse and then everything went back to square one so nurse gave us the new kind which is a personal buzzing alarm and for the last 2 weeks we have tried that but for us it is useless, he just doesn't wake up so she is getting us the other kind again.We also had a problem whereby if he woke up he couldn't get back to sleep before using the alarm but now it seems to have helped in that respect as when we have had to get him up now he goes straight back to bed.I think it aims to try to train the body to be aware of what is happening and eventually to wake them up before they get wet.I would definitly give it a go as they hate it happening to them(getting wet)

 

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[DaisyProudfoot]

By brother had an alarmed sheet when he was little too (wet the bed till he was 7 years old).

 

Only problem was the alarm would go off and he would wake the whole household except himself - he'd just sleep through.

 

My friend's daughter wet the bed until she was about 11 or 12. She used to wear nappies at night and eventually grew out of it when she reached puberty.

 

Daisy

[alibaly]

My sister, a bedwetter, used to sleep through the buzzing whilst the rest of the family were woken up by it.

[dorsetmummy]

On refletction we have decided not to give it a go just at the moment,

 

Have spoken to the school nurse just now, and she things its probably the better dicision at the mo, becuase there are so many other things going on, and its just not the right time to try it now. I will still go and see her about the daytime wetting though.

 

Julie

[katkin]

I can't see the point of trying for night time dryness if your daughter still has problems in the day. Night dryness will happen later, best to sort out day first. The purpose of the day chart will be to see how long she can stay dry, does she wet in stressful situations, is she aware that she is wet and things like that. Valuable for the day but night charts are not much good in my mind unless to see if wet or dry. If she doesn't wake when she wets at night then how would you know how many times she has wet unless you check her bed every 20mins or so ? Bit pointless and not too good on the sleep front I have found a Kylie sheet the best thing for night, any wets and you can whip off the Kylie without changing the whole bed and too much disturbance to the child and you. All the best and I hope the days soon sort themselves out for you. Love Kat

[Malika]

Hi Dorset mum

 

Agree with the fact to try solving the day wetness first, don't think a child can be dry at night before being dry during the day my son was potty trained (day time) by age 4 but was not dry at night before 5 and 1/2, I use to put him big pull-up and never made a fuss about it, he eventualy wanted to stop wearing pull-ups and I agree, at first he was wetting his bed so I use to wake him up once at night at around midnight he was in bed at 8pm, I did it for around 8 weeks and then he was fine,but for many months I would controle his fluid intake after 5 pm.

 

Often bed wetting is due to the fact children having the signal that the bladder is full integrate this in their dreams and eventualy dream that they are going to the toilet, and wet their bed, I remember a young sister of a friend bedwetting until age 22 and she had tried every thing the only thing which eventualy work for her was to drink less on the evening and to put an alarm clock at around 1/2 am by then she was 22.

 

Is your girl concentrating so much in what she is doing that she forget to go toilet may be if she is like this (both of my children use to do that) you may start by reminding her every 40 mns or so to use the toilet eventualy she will learn to go when she needs to.

Sometimes children are scared or feel left out when going to the toilet and because of that learn to ignore the full bladder signal once they learn to ignore the signal they have some problem during the day but even worst during night time.

 

Sometimes as well some children have some kind of loop of the uretra and may be unable to understand when the bladder is full, may be the DR should make sure nothing is physicaly wrong before anything else.

 

I hope this will help.

 

Take care. <'> <'>

 

Malika.

[Malika]

Forgot to say that by waking my son at night he had then around 6 hours of sleep after that and because he was quite rested he was able to wake-up to the full bladder signal early morning and to use the toilet, with him there were a lot to do with being too tired to wake-up, he was then going to watch early programes on T.V which was another incentive in waking-up. Malika