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Well, yesterday we finally met Ian jordan and Com had an assessment for his visual perception difficulties.

 

It was fascinating and great fun - I am very jealous of all you people who are going to see him in Sunderland, you are really going to enjoy Ian's show but I'm not going to tell you all the ins and outs as it would spoil it all.

 

The upshot is that Com needs a blue lens.

 

We had a pair of blue sunglasses I bought Com to cut the glare a bit, nothing to do with his perceptual difficulties, and Ian said they are just about the right colour!

 

With them Com can see much more of a face - the outline and more detail in the features and more than one feature at a time; not perfect but a vast improvement.

 

He can also process movement faster and more effectively which should help with all sorts of things like crossing roads, sports, etc.

 

I cannot believe that a pair of cheap blue sunglasses can make that much difference

 

Thank you, Ian, you are fantastic :notworthy::notworthy::notworthy:

 

Zemanski

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Zemanski,

 

It's all very interesting, and I too am jealous that I cannot go and see Ian Jordan in Sunderland.

 

Great news for you though. :thumbs::clap:

 

Brook

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Thats excellent!!

So Ian is the man huh? :notworthy::notworthy: That is brilliant news, and very interesting actually as i worry about Lewis and moving cars........

I actually admire him for just coming here, it shows a commitment and wanting to know about our kids first hand and the difficulties they face. I wish more professionals were the same! :notworthy:

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I cannot believe that a pair of cheap blue sunglasses can make that much difference

 

Com must be very lucky that the optimum tint happens to be available as off the shelf sunglasses.

 

Tinted lenses have been available since the 1920s for colour vision correction but have never been taken seriously by medical professionals. Only recently, thanks to Ian Jordan, has there been any serious scientific research on tinted lenses.

 

The kid at my residential school who had a problem with flickering fluorescent lights claimed that blue tinted sunglasses improved his vision significantly. He was definitely better at playing video games with the glasses than without. I don't think he could do the Green Hill zone on Sonic the Hedgehog without the glasses. Too green? The science teacher wouldn't take him seriously and the head didn't think that blue sunglasses was acceptable with school uniform.

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Brilliant News :thumbs:

 

I can't wait to see Ian next month. It is now standing room only :D and the good news is that there are LOADS of professionals coming to. :clap: The better news is they are coming from all over the UK :o Staying over at hotels and lodges :o:o So I already know that he is good and has a reputation :rolleyes::whistle:;)

 

Carole

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Com must be very lucky that the optimum tint happens to be available as off the shelf sunglasses.

 

I think he needs a slightly different blue - I'm sure he could see more when Ian was testing him - but even so, it is brilliant :thumbs:

 

Z

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That is excellent news.

 

Ian is indeed a very kind and committed man. He has been helping us over the last few weeks. My ds is a bit young to be assessed by Ian so he suggested an Optim Eyes lamp, which we have on approval at the moment. We saw some initally very promising results in food sensitivities with the colour blue but unfortunately my ds has been unwell with a virus that seems to exacerbate his taste/smell/texture sensitivies (other children at school reported a change in their's too with this virus). So the intial positive results now seem to have vanished. It's really tricky as the lamp is quite expensive so don't want to buy unless we know it is having an impact. Anyhow, the co sellling the lamp has been amazingly helpful and are allowing us to keep for a further month. Really hoping to see the results return. It was amazing, he had a definate preference for blue and said food tasted bad with green! After just a couple of goes he ate 3 or 4 foods that he had previously been unable to tolerate.

 

Thank you Ian :D

 

 

Elaine

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Ok, dont all blast me at once but who is Ian Jordon??? (I have not been living on a different planet but would like to know who this man is because you all seem so please with him!!!). What does he do??? Please excuse the ignorance of me!!

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Ian Jordan is an absolutely brilliant optician who worked with Luke Jackson and his brothers.

 

I came across him again on this site and he has been really, really helpful with all sorts of advice about visual perception but, particularly for us, prosopagnosia which is a pretty debilitating problem with seeing and processing faces and is often associated with ASDs - he is the only specialist trying to treat it and, from Com's response so far, he can treat it successfully, something we didn't imagine was possible before we spoke to Ian.

 

the link for his clinic is

 

http://www.orthoscopics.com

 

hope that helps

 

Zemanski

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Nemo wants one of those lamps just to play with - you should see Ian's lamp, very pretty!

 

Z

 

Nemo will need a big, no a HUGE pot to start saving his pennies up in then :lol::lol:

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That is such excellent news for all of you :thumbs: Excellent Com, sooooooo pleased for you :D

 

I'm so certain that the majority of Little Monkey's problems stem from sensory difficulties, the trick is - getting the school and everyone else to listen to me :wallbash: .

 

M's only 7, and from his perspective - what he see's is normal. He was explaining how he see's a face and how he can see colours when music is playing and how the strip lights hurt and many other things - but if you ask him about it, he clams up. He said the other day 'Why don't you see it mummy - am i broken?.. :tearful: '. It makes it incredibly difficult to find out whats going on - if he thinks everyone see's things the way he does - why would he mention it??

 

Can't get to Sunderland - but have everything crossed that something is being arranged for near me :pray: . Poor guy's just too popular! :P:D

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We had a consultation from someone from the Irlen organisation last week to test for Scotopic Sensitivity Syndrome which also uses coloured lenses to adjust light sensativity issues etc. Wasn't much good for us as my son is only 3 and didn't want to put the glasses on really - but he did seem to like the blue overlay sheets. It was interesting and helped me to identify some light issues he has. I have since bought more subduded lighting for our lounge - (has very bright chrome spotlights normally :wacko: ) and was thinking of trying some coloured bulbs to see if any were calming for him. Am interested in this lamp that is mentioned?? Can anyone tell me where you can get it??

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Thanks alot Zemanski, I have read the website and am alot more informed now - you learn something new every day. Its very interesting and I am please Ian Jordon was able to help your son..

 

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I think this is the link for the lamp under 'vision products' (the home version which is called 'optim-eyes'; I don't think any of us could even contemplate buying Ian's lamp! - you can see it on the link for 'read-eye')

 

http://www.diverse-technologies.net/

 

Com had irlen lenses for about a year but because the system is so inaccurate they had a minimal effect on his visual perception.

Ian's system showed exactly which areas of the spectrum were prolematic and the lenses are so much better than the irlen ones, even with temporary sunglasses, - we know it will be even better when we get him his proper glasses.

Dot still has irlen lenses which are fairly effective for her but she will go for assessment too as soon as we can manage it because if it makes that much difference to Com it has to be worth it for her, she's severely dyslexic.

 

We certainly wouldn't go back to irlen after this experience

 

Zemanski

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Can't get to Sunderland - but have everything crossed that something is being arranged for near me :pray: . Poor guy's just too popular! :P:D

 

 

Smiley, if you find anything out that he is doing nearby let me know please. Thanks

 

 

 

Sounds like a really good result for Zemanski's little one. I'm totally sold on the work that some optometrists are doing. I intend to consult Ian Jordan when I've saved up enough money to do so.

 

Lauren

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This is lovely news. Ian Jordan certainly has my respect - I do wonder if he has a google alert on his own name because it's amazing how he pops up with loads of good advice whenever we talk about him! Either that or his ears start burning :P

 

I think I'll mention coloured lenses to Martin's optician when I next see him - he's very good and will probably be aware of it.

 

My eldest NT son is colour blind - wonder if there's a link there?

 

Daisy

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be VERY careful about coloured lenses. Most opticians have heard of them for dyslexia but the techniques and knowledge needed in ASD is quite different. Training in therapeutic colour for the optical and medical professions is minimal - i train teachers to a higher level than the average optician!!!!

For facial recognition we use specialist computer controlled lights and then determine lenses from them. It is the only satisfactory method that I am aware of. Sorry, there is no optician in Newcastle with the equipment although there will be a practice in the NE soon.

 

If you want to know whether the optician knows what he is doing in this area ask how he would address prosopagnosia and sensory integration problems. How does he address visual synesthesia? If they can answer these questions without looking puzzled then go with them. If not caveat emptor.

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Hi to all, :)

 

It is nice to see that progress can be made Com is very lucky indeed, :thumbs: I have suspected for many years that H has visual problems responsible for his clumssiness and even hearing misunderstanding and I would like him to be assest but the big question is: Does anyone knows (I am not sure Ian himself will see this post) how much it cost for a proper assessment and initial treatment? this would have to be in London.

 

I doubt that I could offered it right now with the car to buy there is little left in the saving pot :oops: but at least I may be able to save and do it in few month time.

 

Thanks :) if you want you can PM me for more information.

 

Malika.

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To give an idea of costs

 

My fees are

 

If I do not achieve a successful outcome (ie improve sensory environment significantly) I charge ?50

The maximum total cost if sucessful using straightforward techniques is ?350 (but usually around ?320)

Specialist task lights can cost the same again if needed - the optimeyes is unique and very specialised and sometimes essential.

The one good thing about what we do - if it works it happens immediately and you know whether it is worth proceeding with. The tests themselves are often exciting.

 

It is possible to be screened in London at reduced charge by Sally Ann Olivier tel 020 7703 8898. She is good and I recommend her to any parent that wants to know whether visual stimulus can help.

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be VERY careful about coloured lenses. Most opticians have heard of them for dyslexia but the techniques and knowledge needed in ASD is quite different. Training in therapeutic colour for the optical and medical professions is minimal - i train teachers to a higher level than the average optician!!!!

For facial recognition we use specialist computer controlled lights and then determine lenses from them. It is the only satisfactory method that I am aware of. Sorry, there is no optician in Newcastle with the equipment although there will be a practice in the NE soon.

 

If you want to know whether the optician knows what he is doing in this area ask how he would address prosopagnosia and sensory integration problems. How does he address visual synesthesia? If they can answer these questions without looking puzzled then go with them. If not caveat emptor.

 

Hi Ian

Can I ask roughly when the practice in Newcastle will be opening? Will the practice be by someone who you could reccomend? And would an assessment be able to tell if a child did have prosopagnosia or is it for if a child is already diagnosed? Sorry if I sound dense - just thinking a private assessment might be worth saving up for.

Thanks

Janice

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if you are at talk in washington in march will be changing prosopagnosia in a member of the audience - it takes only seconds! I expect 20 or 30 people to have symptoms!

Can't say much about practice - suffice it to say, i think it will be great for the NE knowing who it is!

Lots happening in area, but it is under the surface

Edited by Ian Jordan

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Hi Ian and all

 

Thanks Ian for your reply, I may give a call to Sally Ann if not would you be the one to be able to see H in London in around 4 months or so? :)

What I have notice with him (since he was a baby) is that it seems there is a gap between the iris and the white of his eye leaving the light going trough the other side of the eye I have observed this when he is in a dark room and some light come on his profile it is like there is a spark of light around a part of his iris coming trough the other side while the other side of the eye cannot be reflecting some light as it is in the dark. :hypno:

Well sorry I find it a bit difficult to explain but does this seems possible to you? or it is another invention from the neurotic mother I am or I may have become? :oops::lol:

 

Thanks again. :)

 

Malika.

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This needs professional evaluation. Whilst nothing nasty, it may affect visual development significantly and so should be seen quickly. It may need hospital testing.

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Hi Zemanski and Ian and thank you. :)

 

Zemanski H has already seen an optician who did not detect anything wrong but the assesment was very basic. :oops:

 

Ian as you already know I have called Sally Ann today I called her again after she talked to you and we decided for an appointment on Friday and to take it from there . Thank you for your encouragement as while I am quite convince H has a "vision" problem I was not sure how urgent it would be to address the issue. :unsure:

I would like to know as well if you would consider to assest adult suffering fron AS or if it would not be usful over a certain age? I am thinking about a friend who son and husband could benefit from your services, the son is only 12 but the husband is around 40... and has not yet accepted that he may have AS. :wacko:

 

Thanks. :rolleyes:

 

Malika.

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Hi Ian,

 

My daughter is nearly 4 and has a great deal of visual perception problems I'm certain.

 

Is she too young to do any sort of testing for this ?

 

Have you any idea if anything is in the pipeline for a clinic in Scotland ?

 

Thanks for your time.

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This man may be good but he changes a lot of money. A lot of parents would not be able to afford his fees or be able to travel to him.

 

If you speak to Opticions who have been specialising in coloured lenses for many years they will say sometimes it will make a difference with dyslexic children and sometimes it will not. I am sure this will be the same with ASD children.

 

I took my child to the same optician I had taken my dyslexic child to 11 years previous and was only changed a small fee. His tinted lenses seem to have made a difference.

 

As far as I know it depends on the area of the brain when your child has difficulty will determine what colour suits them. My child has difficulty using the left hand side of his brain and hence rose tinted glassess suit him better.

 

My child had his glasses way before the Jackson family had theres.

Jen

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Hi

 

I thought the problem was that most opticians don't have the kind of specialist knowledge to use colour to change sensory problems. It is a shame Ian is so far away but then my ds is a bit young for the assessments right now anyway. However, Ian has given me lots of advice via PM and also over the phone re using the Optim eyes lamp (which isn't costing us anything for now as we have on approval whilst see if get results).

 

I think Ian is concerned to make sure that we get the right kind of assessments, that other not specialist opticians might be unable to provide.

 

I know not everyone can afford the fees and that's why we shouldn't have to pay, should be on NHS. We already pay for OT and that's enough :(

 

Elaine :)

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