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Do you believe that something may have 'triggered' or 'caused' the ASD?  

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  1. 1. Do you believe that something may have 'triggered' or 'caused' the ASD?

    • Problems in pregnancy?
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    • Problems in birth?
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    • Catching a virus or disease?
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    • Vaccination?
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    • Hereditory?
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    • No cause?
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    • Other?
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Hi Carol ,

I recieved your email and have tryed emailing and personal messaging you as it would be good to talk more .

My apologies first hand go out to Elefan and Kris for my lack of participation as i dont seem to have much spare time and or energy at the moment but the site is looking fantastic so i want to congratulate them and Carol you'll find some great info and support here.

Check your personal message box hun when you get a moment or email me again with your email address if you would like to talk more.

Regards Lisa.

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My son (now 10) was born 5 weeks prematurly . I had pre eclampsia and was induced . 9 hours of labour without dialating , 2 failed epidurals and being hooked up to a drip to speed things up , I went from 2cm - 9cm in 1 hour . His heartbeat dropped so much they lost it and I was rushed in for a c section . His head was so mishapen because it had swelled up against my cervix which had also swelled up against the pressure . Apart from jaundice he was fine .

 

He caught up with his age pretty quick and passed all of the milestone tests apart from mobility which he was recalled 2 weeks later and passed .

 

He used to headbang from about the age of 1 and will still headbutt his younger brother if he is really irritated . He couldnt tolerate lumpy food until he reached about the age of 3-4 . He would live on instant mash and gravy , yoghurts etc .

 

Alot of the things he does friends will tell me that their children are the same etc or its just a boy thing , Im sick of hearing it .

 

He gets aggressive very easily and will thump himself on the legs or slap his own face . If hes having a tantrum he will drop the floor and refuse to budge even when people are having to walk around him to get by .

 

For such a long time we just thought he was so immature and because he is our oldest we didnt have another child to compare him to so probably didnt look into his behaviour and notice things like we are doing now .

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From the Independent on Sunday, 18 April 2004

 

Scientists discover autism link to male brain

By Maxine Frith, Social Affairs Correspondent

18 April 2004

 

 

Scientists claim that dramatic new evidence shows that autism may be just an extreme version of the male brain - suggesting the condition may be entirely genetic rather than environmental.

 

The research, led by a team at Cambridge University, links autism to higher levels of the male hormone testosterone in babies in the womb.

 

The theory holds out the possibility that in the future pregnant mothers could be screened for autism in the same way that tests are conducted for Down's Syndrome.

 

It also throws further doubt on the controversial claims that the MMR vaccine is to blame for a huge rise in autism in children.

 

Autism is a developmental disorder characterised by a lack of empathy, poor communication skills and a highly systematic view of the world. The latest research, presented yesterday at the annual conference of the British Psychological Society by the internationally respected autism expert Professor Simon Baron-Cohen, director of the Autism Research Centre at Cambridge University, is based on studies of babies in the womb to the current point where they are four years old.

 

Amniotic fluid was taken from their mother's wombs and tested for levels of the hormone testosterone. At one year old, babies with higher levels of foetal testosterone were found to have much less eye contact than those with lower rates.

 

At 18 months, they were also found to have slower language development. The most recent research, not yet published, was conducted when they reached four. Children with higher levels of testosterone in the womb found it harder to make friends and were more obsessional. There were no differences between the girls and the boys.

 

Professor Baron-Cohen said: "All our research is suggesting that hormones are having an effect on development. Your chromosomes can make you female but you may have a male brain because of the levels of testosterone. This research was conducted on children who do not have autism and are developing normally but the traits we were seeing in children with higher foetal testosterone are similar to those we see with autism."

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I have read this article and they have not actually studied anyone with autism. Only autistic traits which I think 99 per cent. of the population will have an autistic trait in one form or another.

 

My son had excellent eye contact and speech and social skillls at 12 months. By 18 months these had all but disappeared. Also the report is talking about "traits". What about the severe form of autsim that my son suffers with, bowel disease, poor pain response etc, non-verbal etc.

 

Why does regressive autism suddenly appear. My son was not born with autism. He became autistic.

 

I also find it really scary that they are proposing to screen for "autism" in the womb. If this theory was (although I have very serious doubts) right. None of our children would be here today.

 

I find it highly insulting that they have not included anyone who was "autistic" in this study.

 

How is it a study on autism without studying those with autism. What about the thoery of difficult births - has that a connection to hormone levels?

 

Sorry I think the thinking behind this would result in perfectly healthy babys being aborted. Another step towards deisgner babies!

 

Sorry folks, I have written a letter to the Independent about this article. I find it highly insulting and worrying especially about the part of screening unborn babies.

 

I cant put down my true feelings about the article because Kris would be banning it. I am open to any suggestion or theory but I really dont think unless they study someone with autism or who goes on to develop autism - how this theory can be substantiated.

 

Sorry folks, this really upset me. :angry:

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I also find it really scary that they are proposing to screen for "autism" in the womb. If this theory was (although I have very serious doubts) right. None of our children would be here today.

 

 

Carol,...I found the same section of the article 'disturbing'. Sorry if this article upsets you,..and no doubt others. The media is full of conflicting theories/cures for ASD,..and in reality, precious little actually helps us!! So many of the articles can leave you feeling some sort of guilt,...(For example) IF only I had taken it more easily during pregnancy,...IF only I had not had MMR,..IF only,.... But whatever these articles imply, they should not suggest for one minute that having our ASD children was a mistake.

 

<Woops,..sorry,...getting carried away now. Must climb of soap box!>

 

Please let us know what the Independent replies with, if you wouldn't mind.

 

Incidentally, the author of the study is, I thought, an advocate of all things ASD, having written many informative books/studies into autism. :unsure:

 

>:D<<'> to you Carol!

 

Elefan

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PS Carol,..please feel free to write whatever your thoughts and feelings are,..so long as it is not slanderous, bad language, libelous, or names individuals/schools, etc (all the usual forum rules), then it will not be banned!! :)

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Carol

 

I am very sorry Carol, this article must have been very upsetting for you. I can only imagine what you are going through. I hope your letter brings some positive response.

 

I have to admit some parts of the article left me feeling uneasy. I would be very interested to hear of any further information on this.

 

My thoughts are with you, take care.

 

Nellie. >:D<<'>

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Hi folks, here is a copy of my email/letter to the editor!

 

Wrote it last night whilst steam :angry: coming out of ears.

 

will let you know if I hear anything.

 

By Maxine Frith, Social Affairs Correspondent

18 April 2004

 

 

Dear Editor

 

 

Having read the article which again looks into reasons why autism exists, Professor Baron-Cohen suggests the condition may be entirely genetic rather than environmental.

 

... This research was conducted on children who do not have autism and are developing normally ... [unqoute]

 

Can I just say that most of the population has an autistic trait in one form or another. It is just part of being an individual.

 

This study does not include any autistic children. Vaccination damage is a devasting noticeable regression. Severe autism would certainly show itself long before before ages of four. It showed in my son (high temperature, stopped talking, glazed eyes, no social response) within 2 days). Also does not say whether children studied have been vaccinated.

 

Perhaps any further research could include some of the 500,000 ASD kids in the UK will be included. Ones with diagnosis, many have not recieved formal ASD diagnosis and have been labeled learning difficulties etc.

 

My son at 12 months old had brilliant eye contact speech, I remember him smiling at me on his 1st birthday, looking into my eyes, giggling and laughing as we were playing silly faces and saying "Love you Mummy". I have not heard those words since his MMR.

 

What does the study say about regressive autism? At 15+ months my son started to regress he lost his speech and became withdrawn and screaming and developed "toddler dirroeah". By 18 months he had practically stopped talking altogether and did not appear to understand language at 2 years old he only had five words - none were used in a meaningful way. Today my son has severe impairment with no communication. Is that the ASD this study is talking about.

 

My son had his MMR at 15 month old and I will regret that decision for the rest of my life. I witnessed my son change - he rocks backwards and forwards, bangs his head, is violent and lashes out. I cant take him shopping. I have to do all my shopping on the internet. We do not have a "normal" family life. When I take my son out everyone stares when he screams and throws himself about. It is the public's attitude which makes my life so much harder. We cant go to restaurants, to the park we are confined in the house because it is very difficult to keep my son safe. We do not receive any help from social services as they do not have resources to help out. His sister misses out terribly because of her brother.

 

So once again its down to my maternal imperfection.- Now lets see so far they have advised pregnant women:

 

1. No fillings whislt preganant - have only three silver ones in my lifetime.

 

2. Eating fish - no, did once or twice but repeated on me so gave up!

 

3. Taking folic acid - to avoid spina bifida.

 

4. Quit smoking.

 

5. Did not touch alchohol.

 

6. Breast fed both my kids.

 

"Think girly thoughts so you can avoid having an ASD child." They are working on the test to try to determine in the womb whether the child may be ASD. If this study is talking about aspergers and higher functioning autistic traits then god help the mothers and unborn children of tomorrow. The study said even though some chilren had elevated levels of male hormone they were still "normal". Can someone please explain what happened to my 15 month son. Who within a matter of weeks completely changed before my eyes. Perhaps Professor Baron-Cohen would like to offer me a suitable explanation. Is it because I watched too much football whilst pregnant! Sorry this study just seems to highlight differences in personality traits rather than autistic traits and if the intention is to abort unborn children because of their levels of hormone I find that pretty scary. My son was not born autistic, there were no signs until 15+ months.

 

 

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:D Hi Elefan

 

,..please feel free to write whatever your thoughts and feelings are,..so long as it is not slanderous, bad language, libelous,

 

Hi Elefan, thanks for the "poetic licence" endorsement. Unfortunately my ranting and raving usually includes words of the more "colourful" variety. I am actually able to express myself better by writing things down than verbally. Its just as well this is not a "speech" forum. I would have been escorted off the premises long ago! :wub:

 

Will post a copy of the Independent's reply or perhaps they may actually publish the letter!

 

Take care will keep you all posted.

 

PS. Do you think I am overreacting here. I find the article frightening because it seems to point towards higher functioning ASDs traits not the severe ASD that my son suffers from. If that is the case then the thought of aborting perfectly healthy babies makes me go cold.

 

Let me know what you think.

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:o Daily mail today. Page 33. ''Could there be a test for autism in the womb?''

 

How can I find the article online to copy it and post it here??

 

 

Elefan

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:o Daily mail today. Page 33. ''Could there be a test for autism in the womb?''

 

How can I find the article online to copy it and post it here??

 

 

Elefan

I'm trying to find an online link to it now :)

 

Kris

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Hi All,

 

I read the article in the Daily Mail today...I found it very scary, too. The important thing about all the existing screening tests, as far as I understand them, is that they are unable to predict the degree of disability. And when did we all suddenly have to be "perfect"??

 

Anyway, I think we need more support and resources, not more screening tests!!

 

Most (all?) of our problems have really come from the endless battle to get appropriate help. That's the main cause of stress!

 

Perhaps if our society gave more validity to the lives of people with special needs, and their families, we would all get the help we so desperately need without the soul-destroying fight.

 

I think that even the help that is available still largely expects the person with special needs to fundamentally adapt to the "normal world"...especially true for people with ASD.

 

Rant rant!! :wallbash:

 

Bid

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hi, guys I have just seen another article on that Cambridge study BBC Online

 

Is it me that I think we would find a shortage of boys in the general population and I think individuality could be a problem, are we not all individuals - what a boring world this would be if we all thought and acted the same? They studied 70 kids in this study all non ASDs.

 

I attach below :wacko:

 

Autism link to male sex hormones

 

About one in 1,000 people have autism

Autism may be linked to hormone levels circulating in the developing foetus, research suggests.

A team from Cambridge University found babies who produce high levels of the male hormone testosterone in the womb are more likely to show symptoms.

 

The finding suggests the condition may be genetic - and raises the possibility of a screening test.

 

It also lends weight to the theory that autism is basically an extreme form of the way men think and behave.

 

"What I am doing is testing this idea that autism might be an extreme of the male brain.

 

Professor Simon Baron-Cohen

The research, led by psychologist Professor Simon Baron-Cohen, focused on 70 children whose mothers underwent an amniocentesis test while they were pregnant.

 

This enabled the researchers to measure levels of foetal testosterone in the samples.

 

When the children were four, their parents were asked to complete a checklist designed to record any signs of behavioural and social difficulties - which are associated with autism.

 

Social difficulty

 

Speaking at the British Psychological Society annual meeting, Professor Baron-Cohen said: "Those who had a high level of testosterone also found it more difficult to fit into new social groups."

 

Children who had higher levels of foetal testosterone were also less curious than other children.

 

Although these children were not autistic, the pattern suggested a link between foetal testosterone and autism-like traits.

 

Professor Baron-Cohen added that earlier tests, carried out when the children were 12 months old, also showed that those exposed to higher testosterone levels were less willing to make eye contact - another key indicator of autism.

 

Previous research by the Cambridge team has shown that men are less empathic and more systematic than women - differences that are greatly exaggerated in people with autism.

 

Professor Baron-Cohen said: "What I am doing is testing this idea that autism might be an extreme of the male brain.

 

"It's showing that the sexes are different. It's not about one being better than the other. You're going to find individuals who are not typical of either sex."

 

Stuart Notholt, director of policy and pulbic affairs for the National Autistic Society, told BBC News Online the research was a "significant contribution".

 

He said: "However, it is early days yet. We are still quite a long way off understanding what genetic underpinning - if, indeed that is the cause - there is for autism."

 

Mr Notholt said many people would be "very uneasy indeed" about the prospect of a pre-natal screening test for autism.

 

"It is a very varied condition. Many people with autism go on to live very full and happy lives."

 

Professor Jack Scarisbrick, chairman of the charity Life, said a screening test would inevitably lead to pressure being placed on parents to abort autistic babies.

 

"Testing and medical screening to provide information and prepare parents for the specific challenges a special-needs child brings is to be encouraged. But that will not happen in this case.

 

"What chance does an autistic child have of survival when children with cleft palates are aborted?"

 

The research is due to be published in the Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry.

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I don't read the Daily Mail so I haven't read the article, but would be interesting to see what the original research is actually saying.

 

I would certainly not want to rush to any kind of judgement based upon the Daily Mail's 'spin' on a piece of Research, all the stuff about screening for and, by implication, aborting foetuses *might* have come from the research, but it is equally likely that the emphasis comes from a journalists need for an 'Angle'.

 

 

Simon

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Bid,

 

And when did we all suddenly have to be "perfect"??... Anyway, I think we need more support and resources, not more screening tests!!

 

I could not agree with you more. I had a meeting today for Scott for school placement. There is no school that is suitable for my son in our borough and he has to go outside the borough to go to school. I asked the Assessment Officer, ASD specialist, Head of Early Years (why not??? Surely my scott is not an isolated case). Told me that they are aware of the problems and said they have had an explosion in ASDs and they cannot cope. They have the same problem every september intake. I asked why isnt anything being done? They answered lack of funding and they are looking into it!

 

I have had an offer of an out of borough school.

 

He should start this September. This school can offer him a place September 2006!!!!

 

So yes, the fight for the support and services for our kids goes on everyday.

 

Perhaps the powers would look upon screening unborn babies as a solution to their problem of lack of services. Of course, that is if this research is correct of course!

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The link to the Autism Research Centre is as follows:- http://www.autismresearchcentre.com

 

I'll pop this into the Resources section if it isnt already there.

 

There is a link to the study mentioned above although there is very little (in fact almost no) information about it http://www.autismresearchcentre.com/resear...roject.asp?id=1

 

I'm still trying to get the Daily Mail article copied off so's everyone can look at it.

 

Kris

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Hooray... I finally got it :)

 

Kris

 

Pro-life groups? abortion fears

 

Could there be a test for autism in the womb?

 

 

By Robin Yapp Science Reporter

 

AUTISM could be determined before birth, scientists believe.

Babies who produce high levels of the male hormone testosterone in the womb are more likely to show autistic symptoms early in life, research suggests.

The finding supports the theory that autism is an ?extreme version? of the male brain and suggests its cause could be genetic ? allowing pregnant women eventually to be screened for it.

But campaigners voiced fears yesterday that this would lead to thousands of women opting for abortions rather than taking on the responsibility of looking after an autistic child.

Autism, which is characterised by poor communications skills and

ability to relate to others, cannot currently be diagnosed before the age of 18 months.

Professor Simon Baron-Cohen, of Cambridge University, found that both boys and girls who showed high levels of testosterone in the womb found it harder to make friends, were less interested in other children and had narrower and more obsessional interests.

The professor, cousin of Ali G creator Sacha Baron Cohen, and his team have been studying 70 children whose mothers had amniotic fluid taken from their wombs during pregnancy to be tested for testosterone levels.

At the age of 12 months those exposed to higher levels of testosterone were found to be less willing to make eye contact than other babies the same age ? one of the key indicators used to diagnose autism in toddlers.

At 18 months they were found to have slower language development ? some could not talk at all, whereas some other children had vocabularies of up to 600 words.

The most recent tests, based on interviews with parents, confirmed that the rate of development amongst those children at the age of four continued to be far slower than observed in their peers.

The findings come as detectives investigate whether to prosecute doctors who performed a late abortion on a baby which screening showed had a cleft lip and palate.

This follows a complaint from Church of England curate Joanna Jepson, herself born with a facial deformity, insisting that a cleft palate was only a minor problem.

Any move to allow the abortion of autistic children would be sure to face similar opposition from pro-life and religious groups.

Paul Danon, of the Society for the Protection of Unborn Children, said: ?If a cleft palate is considered a disability warranting abortion, you can be sure the law will see autism also to be that way.

?We are not against testing and medical screening where it can further and enhance life but why gather the information if there is no remedy other than to take the life of the child?

?We have to stop the searchand- destroy mentality with unborn children.

?It sends a hideous message to people who are disabled that they are second-class citizens.?

 

r.yapp@dailymail.co.uk

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Thanks for that Kris. I'm with Simon Mossgrove on this one. It will be interesting to see what the original research reveals.

 

He just had to mention that Simon Baron Cohen is the uncle of Ali G. So?

 

Nellie.

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He just had to mention that Simon Baron Cohen is the uncle of Ali G.  So?

I know, I couldnt believe they thought that was in any way relevant, and it can only detract from the seriousness of the article in my view. Thats journalism for you!!

 

Kris

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At the age of 12 months those exposed to higher levels of testosterone were found to be less willing to make eye contact than other babies the same age ? one of the key indicators used to diagnose autism in toddlers.

 

At 18 months they were found to have slower language development ? some could not talk at all, whereas some other children had vocabularies of up to 600 words.

Both of these studies can be found in full at the www.autismresearchcentre.com site but they do make heavy reading!! :hypno:

 

Kris

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The finding suggests the condition may be genetic - and raises the possibility of a screening test.

Professor Jack Scarisbrick, chairman of the charity Life, said a screening test would inevitably lead to pressure being placed on parents to abort autistic babies.

 

"Testing and medical screening to provide information and prepare parents for the specific challenges a special-needs child brings is to be encouraged. But that will not happen in this case.

My word. I'm speechless.

(Well, not quite, you know me!!)

The quest for perfect babies goes on, huh? Foetuses that test positive for Down's, Spina Bifida etc. are aborted in great numbers. And even though these tests have been around for a while, they still can't tell the severity of the condition. So those babies might have led relatively 'normal' lives....

I feel fairly confident that my son will lead a relatively 'normal' life, but even if he was more severely affected, I'd love and want him just the same. But I do wonder..had a doctor told me that Caghal in utero was autistic, what would I have done? Descriptions of conditions don't give you the reality of life with an AS child, the highs, lows, the love, the stress, the joy they bring. I was only 20 when he was born.What I'd have done if these tests had been available I shudder to think. Mind you, I had no tests as I did not want to contemplate the alternative to having my baby. It's the what ifs that make this particular 'breakthrough' so ominous.... My word...

I wish researchers would keep schtum until they have conclusive evidence to back up their findings. I honestly wrangle with all these theories and such, wondering if my body has failed my baby, if a choice I made has had an influence on the outcome...And the old MMR thing makes me bite my nails down to the quick. Have made and broken appointments umpteen times, I almost wish I was in the darK!

Simon also has a point regarding 'scoop' factors...

Bid, I couldn't agree more!

And Carol, dearie me, is that the best they can do for your boy???

2006??????!!!!!!!! :o

Keep your chin up, pet and fight the good fight!

What rotten news, have a hug on me! >:D<<'>

Esther x

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Whoops! Can I just point out that I am soooo not in favour of ANY babies being aborted due to screening tests coming back positive!!! Whether they're severely affected by their condition or not! And of course, that's each persons' choice and I'm not judgemental on this either!!!

My brain goes faster than my typing fingers...not that that's saying much!! :P

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:o Hi all, Kris thank you for your painstaking research - pat on back. :thumbs:

 

The thing is the more I am reading the more uncomfortable I feel. I cannot get my head round the fact that they are looking at "normal" infants and talking about ASD traits.

 

My son's ASD is not a trait it is severe (he is low functioning). Where do children like my scott fit into this. My son also has leaky gut bowel problems. Is this down to "hormones"?

 

I think as this study talks about traits it is leaning towards higher functioning ASDs like Aspergers. If that is the case for screening unborn children then I feel cold at the thought!

 

Was Albert Einstein not reported to have Aspie tendencies. I bet most of the research scientits working on the project have a trait or two.

 

If you start to do away with all people who "could have ASD traits" then what of the Einstein's of tomorrow.

 

I am still confused as to where kids like my scottie fit into all this. Perhaps they are still working on that one - will try to read the research or perhaps phone them and ask - would be easier! :)

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Hi

 

 

I'm encouraged to find serious research into Autistic spectrum disorders, and Simon Baron-Cohen's findings are interesting - I've always been attracted to his ideas that Autism is a kind of exaggerated masculinity. This theory seems to fit so much of what I've observed in my own family.

 

I think that we have to take the journalistic reporting of these issues with a huge dose of salt - its a long way to go from early research on a small sample, to discussing the practicalities and ethics of aborting on the basis of pre-natal testing. Obviously I can see why this might excite the likes of the Daily Mail, but to focus on that debate is to lose sight of the value of this important research into the nature and cause of autism.

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Elanor, you have a great point. Its very important that every avenue is explored, no stone left unturned until the cause(s) of autism are identified. Then, though there may never be a 'cure', at least more effective ways of helping our kids could be developed.

Yes, Cohen-Baron's findings are interesting, I'd love to see results of a like study involving ASD kids though. I just wish they'd keep a lid on it until they have a sure result, something that could help us. At least where yhe public are involved. I personally don't want 'perhaps' and 'maybe', but hard evidence I could believe in would be marvellous. Its just the turmoil these uncertain findings cause us..well, me at least.

Carol, I think a lot of people working in science/technology field are v. focused, and may display a trait or two. Everyone has at least one oddity about them, from tastes, habits, etc. Makes the world more interesting in my opinion, but Elanor is right. That possibility is a long way off.....I just have to try and stay chilly, here!! :P

I spoke about this topic, particularly this aspect, with a friend, saying that all kids are valued,etc. She did not share my opinion, and quite upset me with her view that while we value our ASD kids, others probably don't. :( I hope that's not true for the majority, but I was very upset....She was horrified that she'd upset me, though I did kinda think 'DUH'!!! Of course I flimmin' well was!!! <_<

Anyway, here's hoping we get some answers one day soon, thanks to those scientists researching away on our kid's behalfs.

Esther x

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Esther

 

I think people should think before they put their size 12s in it - it is ignorance. I have it when I stand in my daughter's playground (shes at mainstream) and the mums look slyly at my scottie. Whilst waiting one afternoon there was a little boy of scotts age who was prancing around the playground with his sunglasses on, messing around. All the mums were saying "look, how cute" "bless him". My little scott was in his major buggy and not one of them even paid him a smile! My scott is 10 times cuter than this little boy! I think sometimes people think its almost catching. If their "perfect" kids were to mix with mine they could be "held back" or affected! :(

 

I suppose anyone with "normal" children would find the prospect of an ASD child scary. Perhaps given a choice and screening for an unborn child they would opt for termination, in the same way as downs or spina bifida!

 

That is what makes the whole concept of screening scary because there is no wayof knowing how affected the child and perhaps if the child may only have traits then god help them!

 

If this research is about the "male brain" theory and talking about traits where does a severely disabled child like my scott fit into all of this? Considering scott never showed signs of autism until he was 15+ months old, how is regressive autism and bowel disease accounted for in this study?

 

Perhaps when the studies are published it may show more light. I think they should keep information like this under wraps until they are sure!

 

Leaking bits and pieces ofthe study only increase confusion and anxiety and lead to anger, especailly when tests for unborn children are mentioned!

 

Sorry hun, here I go again :D - shutting up!

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I agree with what seems to be the general consensus, that asd is likely to be a genetic/birth thing.

I was two weeks over, my labour lasted 28hours, after 6 hrs my waters were broken (after being induced) when it was discovered that tricky had "pooed" inside me the labour ending with two failed attempts at ventouse, resulting in forceps.

the poor little mite was on and off distressed during labour and had to be intubated as he ingested his meconium.

My brother has as he also had a difficult birth

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I reckon we'd make a great duo, like Batman and Robin :P

 

I'll get some tights and leotard and underpants [no g-strings allowed] (to wear on the outside) a cape to hide my massive rear end and a big "ASM" (for AS Mum) letters on our chest! and we could go round and be superheros! and rid the world of ignorance regarding disability and "isms" in general! B)

My prayers have been answered!!! :rolleyes:

 

Only a few weeks ago, I was advertising in one of my posts for a super hero to help me sort out my LEA :D

 

I didn't expect to employ some super heroines though B)

 

Helen x :P

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It's OK folks - no need for the men in white coats. I can explain Carol's behaviour, she hasn't lost her marbles :hypno: SHE'S STOPPED SMOKING. :D

 

It explains everything!!!!!!!!!!

 

WELL DONE CAROL. :thumbs:

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:P:D Thanks Nellie, its worth it have saved a fortune .....although my problems compared to Esthers seem miniscle in comparison

 

I suspect she may be having second thoughts about her role as the Caped Confuser :unsure:

 

Esther,� You are barking mad!!! ........Helen x

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WUFF!!!!!!...................Esther x

 

I think she may be after a starring role in Lassie Come Home? Will have to ask her, very subtly of course, when she returns from her Obedience Class.

 

This could be the end of the LEA/SEN fighting duo as we know it!!! :crying:

 

What will happen next, tune in to next weeks episode ........ hankies at the ready! :tearful:

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Esther, You are barking mad!!! :D

Hi all,

 

That goes for you too Carol :lol: .

 

I must be the only sane member on this site ;) . Thanks for making me laugh :P

 

Helen

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Thanks Helen, LOL :D

 

You know, I am not one to point the finger - but I seem to remember a certain thread on a housework/rabbits veering towards dubious services advertised by a certain Sven [alias Kris] :whistle: which resulted in an accidental/on purpose deletion button being used :oops: [i still don't believe a techie of Kris' calibre could make such a mistake ...] :shame: but we'll never know for sure - anyway, I feel Helen that you too may have crossed to the realms of the ridiculous! :hypno:

 

I would not want to alarm you but the "ban" speaks for itself! :shame:

 

:wacko: Welcome to the club! :thumbs:

 

You dont have to be crazy to post here, but it helps! B):wacko::blink::o

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LOL, hi Nellie.

 

I'm still sane, although the insane seem to be having more fun!!� Nellie
:whistle:

 

Nellie, you are not so far from "crossing over" as you like to think, it just happens, getting into cross posting with an acknolwedged "insane" member will lead to your eventual demise! :oops:

 

You have been warned, it is not too late. From a positive point of view, once you have arrived, you wont care! :wacko:

 

See you soon [HA HA HA, evil cackling ......... deep maniacal chuckle!]

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Nellie, you are not so far from "crossing over" as you like to think, it just happens, getting into cross posting with an acknolwedged "insane" member will lead to your eventual demise! :oops:

See you soon [HA HA HA, evil cackling ......... deep maniacal chuckle!]

We'll get you all on our side eventually!!!

*MWAH HAA HAAAAA*!!!!!!!

 

Sorry it took me a while to join in there, only I got tangled in my lead as I ran away from my obediance trainer, then I had to worry my way out of the straitjacket the white-coated ones strapped me in on capture.....

And then, wouldn't you just know it, the Thomasmobile wouldn't start and THEN I snapped the heel on my stilletto superboots as I jogged my way to the nearest PC.....(the cape was protesting as I had a takeaway and choccy last night!! So I was unable to utilise my superhero capacity.... :crying: )

By the way, Carol, I fervently hope you're a dab hand with a needle. Last night's culinary excesses have taken their toll and my poor crimefighting superhero cossie has met it's demise through burst seams.....

Holy SENCO, was I ever glad I had my cape, it maintained my dignity as I scuttled home...only just though.....

Hey, Carol, maybe I should get the next size for my new costume.....

(By the way, fellow 'fficial fighter, well done for kicking the coffin nails....I must follow suit, not good for the child-friendly superhero image...Superman flying through the air with a cig sticking out his mouth not quite so striking an image! :blink: )

Maybe we should enlist Robbie for our do-good campaign, Carol...He could have his own wee cape and an identity saving mask with ear-holes cut out...

Esther x

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