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      Depression, Mental Health and Crisis Support   Depression and other mental health difficulties are common amongst people on the autistic spectrum and their carers.   People who are affected by general mental health difficulties are encouraged to receive and share information, support and advice with other forum members, though it is important to point out that this exchange of information is generally based on personal experience and opinions, and is not a substitute for professional medical help.   There is a list of sources of mental health support here: <a href="http://www.asd-forum.org.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=18801" target="_blank">Mental Health Resources link</a>   People may experience a more serious crisis with their mental health and need urgent medical assistance and advice. However well intentioned, this is not an area of support that the forum can or should be attempting to offer and we would urge members who are feeling at risk of self-harm or suicide to contact either their own GP/health centre, or if out of hours contact NHS Direct on 0845 4647 or to call emergency services 999.   We want to reassure members that they have our full support in offering and seeking advice and information on general mental health issues. Members asking for information in order to help a person in their care are seeking to empower both themselves and those they represent, and we would naturally welcome any such dialogue on the forum.   However, any posts which are deemed to contain inference of personal intent to self-harm and/or suicide will be removed from the forum and that person will be contacted via the pm system with advice on where to seek appropriate help.   In addition to the post being removed, if a forum member is deemed to indicate an immediate risk to themselves, and are unable to be contacted via the pm system, the moderating team will take steps to ensure that person's safety. This may involve breaking previous confidentiality agreements and/or contacting the emergency services on that person's behalf.   Sometimes posts referring to self-harm do not indicate an immediate risk, but they may contain material which others find inappropriate or distressing. This type of post will also be removed from the public forum at the moderator's/administrator's discretion, considering the forum user base as a whole.   If any member receives a PM indicating an immediate risk and is not in a position (or does not want) to intervene, they should forward the PM to the moderating team, who will deal with the disclosure in accordance with the above guidelines.   We trust all members will appreciate the reasoning behind these guidelines, and our intention to urge any member struggling with suicidal feelings to seek and receive approproiate support from trained and experienced professional resources.   The forum guidelines have been updated to reflect the above.   Regards,   The mod/admin team


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  1. Creative refinement does not seem to be a possibility here. The quote function is only temporary - I assume until you sign out for other destinations. Hey ho!
  2. Eureka - now I see Edit by the Quote; I was blind and now I see . . . . . . . Thumph!
  3. Hi Lufty. I was writing about deleting in the 'editing' sense of things and all that - not completely deleting them! These posts are the children of my mind, and writing viable stuff is a labour of love. Can you or does anyone else know how to access or better yet still 'recognize' the edit function . . . ? Deepthought
  4. I have asked this question elsewhere but here would of have been more appropriate, so is there a way of deleting/correcting written errors or irregularities once posted?
  5. Train
  6. Hi Ferret, The legal and general situation was resolved with an edit job. Apologies for any inconvenience. Hi Trekster, or anyone else that knows, Is there an edit function on this website system at all, or is it only achievable by asking a moderator? Just as a question though.
  7. Ferret, Are you available for Sherlock scene of the crime Ferretic investigation services, and logic-topic check. I went a bit Milo with the perpetration of going all legal and general on one of the other forums. The 'new-look' is a major visual hypersensitivity issue for me, and I was focused on being all big and polite and diplomatic - but as the eyestrain and headache were getting worse, I was getting all the more annoyed with the situation, and the diplomat was done away with. One member had tended their resignation, and my fellow Autling defense mode abetted me in making a case of things.
  8. Being charitable as a person and being a charity are separate issues as individuals are able to choose whichever way and to whichever extent they wish to be charitable, whereas a charity can only provide for that which they are specifically set up to do. The concept of government funded charities as being government service providers is common knowledge for those who work in the organizational structures of charities - whilst unsurprisingly many people have little or even no comprehension of how charities work beyond collecting or giving donations. As for the charity or quango business - a charity does not stop being a charity on account of having become a quango, and there are thousands of charities operating specifically as they do on account of being funded by the government. The strings attached supposition regarding how government funding is spent is a contractual matter based purely upon how the charity is actually set up to operate - which for the N.A.S. is: 1.) Providing educational establishments for children with autism. 2.) Providing residential services for those children when they leave those schools. 3.) Providing an information and advice service. Wanting more than this is like going to one service provider when another is required. With the information provision of the N.A.S. it provides exactly what it has been set up to do, and being that you favor other websites it is not as if the N.A.S. are going to complain considering how overwhelmed they are with people they 'can' help, and how much more overwhelmed they are with people they 'can't' help. The N.A.S. is quite literally being dumped on regarding the incapacity of the N.H.S. to provide adequate or even any services for people with A.S.D.. The N.H.S. has to refer patients somewhere else before those patients realize there is nothing freely available in terms of any support - being that N.H.S. staff are themselves already being insanely overwhelmed by the people they 'can' help, and even more insanely overwhelmed by those who they 'can't' help. When it comes to the possible A.S. and H.F.A. charity it would not 'have' to integrate with the N.A.S., yet as a charity that it is long established, well respected and knows how to hold its ground in terms of achieve funding requirements - it could be of major assistance to the proposed charity for providing adult practical support to compensate for the N.A.S. in terms of only being able to provide informative support. The reason this might be worthwhile is that the N.A.S. is set up to do as it does, and changing this would involve a massive overhaul of and additions to the entire organization - as would be extremely disruptive to their service provision. Your question as to which year A.S. was publicized by the N.A.S., depending on how much research you wish to do, can be answered to some extent at: http://www.autism.org.uk/timeline
  9. Likewise.
  10. Yes - it is I. And a bonus that it is you - partially on account that you might not of been you at all but someone else entirely different; which might of been tricky. I am not so sure about being likened to Bertrand Russel though - as he did philosophy with mathematics involved. Mathematics is a wondrously amazing system of almost complete and utter confusion to me. Perhaps - 'Me Milo; You Sherlock' - or vice versa and so fourth?
  11. Have we perchance corresponded together before on other forums?
  12. Hi Ferret, Greetings and welcome to the tranquil spaciousness of here - as is rather a welcome sanctuary from the hustle and bustle of other places I find. D.
  13. Money is certainly a issue with any service provision - property to operate from, equipment to use, and all that. As for being more like a government service provider, the N.A.S. (formally the Society For Autistic Children) is still a national service provider - as operates according to its original purpose for becoming a registered charity on the basis of: 1.) Starting a school for children with autism; 2.) Operating a residential service for when these children leave school; and 3.) Providing an information and advice service. These aims have and still are being charitably achieved by the N.A.S., and as such this is the very reason why it is as a charity receiving the public funding that it does. When it comes though to the senior officials of the N.A.S. seeking money from public and private sources, and spending that donated money on those who it has been assigned to - as according to the three objectives listed above - the N.A.S. is as such being by definition a conventional charity. This to many people is not a sad truth. Your statement that there is an argument that people with classical autism who require residential care services should be higher priority than people with H.F.A.S. and H.F.A. does not hold water - is the misnomer then that it could hold water a widely shared consensus? Or have you perhaps mistaken this for my meaning that the more practical services of the N.A.S. are given to Aspergians and Autists who are at the lower end of the socially functional spectrum, and the more informative and advisory services of the N.A.S. are given to those at the higher end? The fact that our needs are different is obviously undeniable, just as you also exemplified well in your statement regarding the different services required by blind people, and people who use wheelchairs. To state that there is much truth that the N.A.S. is acting like a roadblock to more capable and better focused organizations for supporting people with H.F.A.S. and H.F.A. - because it is the organization the N.H.S. and the education authorities refer people with H.F.A.S. and H.F.A.!?! This is not something the N.A.S. is responsible for. Also; expecting more adult support from and at the same demeaning a charity that caters more for young children and young adults with serious personal and social coping problems - this is a very inefficient and roundabout way of achieving a very justified and worthwhile aim. The problem you have alluded to has actually already been addressed from a very well informed perspective, unfortunately I do not recall who the author was other than that she was female. Her analysis of the situation regarding more practical support for people with H.F.A.S. and H.F.A. conditions; was that a new charity be set up to provide the required services, and at some later stage integrate with the N.A.S. to become a singular charity. She theorized that the N.A.S. could be quite supportive of such an aim, especially as it would be of great benefit to it as a charitable organization that has helped so so many many people for fifty odd years now, and as is just like all other charities and service providers that are really struggling to cope with more of the social care burden and the massively vacuous funding problems, and all that at the moment. Does this seem to be a reasonable suggestion perhaps? D.
  14. I would not go as far as to state that A.S. and H.F.A. are very much an afterthought, given the forums, but those who require residential or specialized support are definitely more catered for - just as it should be, and given that that is what the N.A.S. was actually set up for originally in 1962 - as essentially being then a parents group. If though more support for people with A.S. and H.F.A. was to come about through the N.S.A., I think that would be major step forward. But, as many of us know presently, after entering into adulthood most of the support is provided by people with A.S. or H.F.A themselves - by way of written or visual media etc. Perhaps as like the founding members of the N.A.S. in 1962 - there could be a H.F.A.S. say in 2022, possibly?
  15. The N.A.S. provides information about A.S.D., about getting diagnosed with it, about getting access to services, and it provides a means for people both on and off the spectrum to communicate and share experiences and offer advice.