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Hi you describe my son when he was 6 yrs old hes now 11 and tbh we have the same melt downs now over roughly the same things. noise no patience. attention. plus alot more now. he was reffered to camhs but i have found them to be useless and unwilling to help as they try to blame bad parenting which is rubbish my son is my world and all i want is for him to feel good about himself and not want to hurt people and himself. Feel free to add me as a friend huni i hope you get this sorted. Kepp going to your gp till someone listens huni he needs proper help to learn to control his violence and emotions. xx BIG HUGS xx

My opinion to you is please be very careful of camhs there are many sites where they have gotten things wrong or not done enough. I have been stuck with them for 4 years and when i finally had enough and tried for a second opinion they turned really nasty to quote my sons lady '' If you dont do what we ask you to do then we will MAKE you do!!'' I now know they didnt want my son to have asecond opinion because if it comes back he is aspergers then they AGAIN have failed. So they have used me as a scape goat and are trying to pin mbp on me which they have used to get my son on the at risk register to MAKE him stay at camhs. I find them very sneaky and underhanded. Your camhs may be different but i am not intouch with a group of parents all with exactly the same stories. And all being accused of the same thing. I hope yours goes well but please be careful xx

Dear L, Everything you have said is my son. He is now 11 and tells me there is something wrong with his head. he calls his voice evil Michael and he himself is good michael. when he draws himself he has two faces. evil michael tells him to hurt people and do really nasty things. he doesnt like this voice as its ''deep and growley'' i asked him if it sounded like him whe he was angry and he said no. This voice mainly appears when hes upset and angry. people including myself have witnessed him have a full blown argument with it as he doesnt want to do what its telling him. he punches himself in the head to shut it up. he told me not long agao that eveil michael is taking over and when he does you wont have ''me'' anymore. ofcourse i got very anxious about this but Camhs dont believe any of it they have accused me of planting these things to get attention how SICK is that!!!! so i am fighting for a second opinion as i feel my son is infact aspergers. there are cases of aspies with voices i have spoken to diagnosed people with them. So i have been doing my own research as no one in my town is the least bit helpful. You really need to look for someone who specialises in these areas as michael has now tried to commit suicide 8 times due to lack of control and the voices. This will be an up hill struggle as alot of people wont listen? After asking for help i find my son is now on the at risk register as apparently i OVERLY asked for help so obviously its me who ill not my son.... Yes really clever people where i live NOT. But i wont give up as my son needs help to cope with all hes struggling with. I keep his needs as my main focus then whatever they throw at me i can deal with. I am in the prossess of a second opinion which i also had to fight to get. Good luck huni if you need to chat to me further leave me a message and friend request? my heart goes out to you and your son BIG HUGS xx

Hi i was just reading through the site to see how others go with camhs as for me the have been utterly useless. We feel that my son may be aspergers camhs have sturng us along for 4 years doing absolutely nothing so i decided to go for a second opinion. after they found this out a letter turned up in my sons file at the doctors basically saying that my son who is 11 is fine and i have mbp!!!! to stop any more attempts at a second opinion. I have been convering with three specialists who are horrified at my treatment and agree that my son sounds like an aspie. I tryed to take us away from camhs so they went to social servises and got him put on a protection plan to make him stay at camhs. if they were as good with help as they are at backstabbing they would go alot further!!! my son has attempted suicide 8 times because he feels he doesnt fit down here so whats the point in living and tells me if i loved him i would let him. apparently thats me planting these thoughts in my own childs head ppfffttt they have no clue. i know of four more sets of parents in my area being told they have mbp by camhs as we seem to be the scape goats when they get it very wrong if i had any advice it would be avoid them at any cost..

I was turned down twice and had to go to trubunal without a diagnosis for my son and at the tribunal the board stated that he should of been diagnosed by now an even told me to go to my local mp for help as my son really needed it? good luck and dont give up x

Well done to you for putting a great case forward good luck in getting what you need for your son big hugs to you xx

I know!!! yes ss are involved they dont have proof nothing no assessments or any thing they just wanted michael back at camhs when actually i never stopped him going? i feel quite bullied tbh. x

tbh i am not sure there is a way bk with camhs as from the word go michael hasnt liked or trusted his lady i have had to encorage him to go every week and had some major flip outs on his behalf at being made to go but there must be other places he can go for support. i have put my sefl forward for a psycologyst aswell as i need to off load how i feel also. i hope to get things sorted i need to step back and clear my head and work out where to go from here. I think that camhs feel they are more important than they actually are and keep being told by friend they are just a general practice and have no right to refuse michael a second opinion or diagnosis. but i will fight tooth and nail to keep my son i have done nothing wrong. Beth x

he still lives with me huni and i will fight tooth n nail to keep it that way x

Thnka i will do this. i bought him some budda tea light holders as he likes to sit and breath while looking at them. i try my best to understand how he feels but i know i could never fully get it. it breaks my heart to watch the war i see in his eyes but i do intend not to give up and help him to the very best of my abilities as is my mum and sister. thanks again x

My son has the voices and mostly all traits of as. there is also scitzaphrenia and bi-polor and autism in the family but camhs are saying i have done this to my son personally!!! they have been a major let down for my son he feels he doesnt fit and the wors he feels the more suicide attempts we r getting he hits his teens in two years so adding hormoans to his now state of mind is not even to be bared thinking about but camhs refuse to admit they are wrong?

Where did you get the leaflet hun as i am wanting to go with as much evidence as possible to make them listen my son is now attempting suicide as he cant cope and they wont listen?

I am fighting for my son to be assessed for asd/aspergers and he hears a voice in his head which is not his own so yes you are completely right you should never question what you know to be right xx

Can a child have asd and aspergers or just one or the other?

Thankyou, yes i took this to them with my mum (who they say is an unhelpful influence because she supports me as are my sister and my best friend.) they say its all hear say and they dont listen to that!! I find them highly annoying and disrespectful and full of there own importance, to quick to judge and only do half a job, they took back ground information off me about child hood sexual abuse then used it against me. i have been told i have over loved, protected, cared for my son and this is y he is its utter rubish. he needs an independent assessment b4 the teenage hormoans add to his allready difficult stages of his life all he has in me and my family and we r basically muddling through best we can to avoid him hurting himself again? do you have any other ideas? xx i have a complain going through about camhs since that they are now trying to say i have muchousens biproxy to cover there failure of michael. i have an advocate doing this with me i also have an advocate for helping me fight who is horrified at their treatment of me and michael. Ours is a small town and i now feel a usless one at that but i will fight for my son as all i want is for him to feel good about himself. He is saying things to me that(he doesnt know)his dad used to say to me and he did commit suicide? (michael thinks it was a car accident.)