Sooze2 Report post Posted October 12, 2008 (edited) I received my son's IEP from school on Friday, he is on school action plus. He dosn't have a statement but the school are supposed to be sorting it out at the moment, I asked them to apply for stat assessment in July.......... This is what is in his IEP, could you tell me if this is what you have or are they just typing randum things just to say they have done it!........ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Main Concern: Communication & Interaction, Emotional, Behavioural & Social School Action + Positive reinforcement and encouragement from home and school - Time allocation - T/TA/Home Speech and language support via provision of a communication programme to home and school - Time allocation - on going support from speech and language teem - he was discharged from them a couple of years ago! Targeted support in Literacy - Time Allocation - As necessary (T/TA) Child Developement Centre Involvement - Ongoing Educational Psychologist Involvement - Ongoing Targets To ask for help if he needs it Be able to express his feelings when talking about his work or freindships To say if he is pleased or unhappy with his work or freindships To work positively on developing fine motor skills Begin writing tasks with indepedence and be pleased with his efforts if he completes a task (he has only ever completed a task once, the TA made a point of telling about it because it had never happed in the 4 years he has been at school - I never knew this!) Childs Target - to ask for help if I need it! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is this what is on your childs IEP, is that really it?! Autism Oureach have said he will be starting a group soon involving lots of game play and social skills help etc. He is meant to be working with a TA most of the time which he tells me he isn't. When he asks for help sometimes he gets it but mostly they tell him to wait and then go to someone else who asks after him. They say he needs a full time TA so why isn't there anything here about his educational needs? I won't go on any more but I need to speek to them about this but I need to know whether I am right to query it's content. He is diagnosed with Autism and ADHD, surely if he has a diagnosed communication dissorder he is going to find "expressing his feelings, saying if he is pleased or unhappy and asking for help" very very hard in a classroom of 35 other students! Please help! Edited October 12, 2008 by Sooze2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cat Report post Posted October 12, 2008 Well to be honest with you I do not know if this has made me want to or My thoughts for what they are worth Targets To ask for help if he needs it How are they going to encourage your son to feel able to do this? Do they have input from a SALT who is going to be working on this with your son? Be able to express his feelings when talking about his work or freindships Again how are they going to work towards this with your son? Do they think that a spaceman from the plant zarg is going to make an apperance here and fill in the emotional blanks here for your son? To say if he is pleased or unhappy with his work or freindships Which part of 'my son has a social and communication disorder do they NOT get? To work positively on developing fine motor skills So who is going to support and encourage your son to work positively developing his fine motor skills? Is he having input from an OT? Begin writing tasks with indepedence and be pleased with his efforts if he completes a task (he has only ever completed a task once, the TA made a point of telling about it because it had never happed in the 4 years he has been at school - I never knew this!) Oh What the flamming hell are they doing here? Do not wait for the school to apply for a Statutory assessment do it yourself because clearly this lot are pretty clueless. You have a legal right to ask for a Stat Assessment - I would be using my rights here if I were you. Cat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clare63 Report post Posted October 12, 2008 The targets don't seem to be realistic or easily achievable. Also they all seem to be things a person with ASD really struggle with, like you say expressing feelings or even knowing how they feel.. The targets also don't say how they are to be achieved, ie what action is being taken. The target to ask for help if he needs it , if he does not do this already how are they going to ask/encourage him to do this.. I think you need to ask yourself, in order to achieve the target what steps need to be taken to get there, how often and how long, also when it will be reviewed. I am sure a lot of IEP's work, but in our expereince, its just a piece of paperwork that the school has to complete and rarely follows through. Clare x x x Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clare63 Report post Posted October 12, 2008 Ah look, Cat says it sooo much better then me, yes deffinately put in for a statement yourselves that's what we eneded up doing. Good luck Clare x x x Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sooze2 Report post Posted October 12, 2008 I love you guys, thank you so much. I thought I was going into "over protective parent" mode again for a moment and getting all paranoid about querying it. So he should have SALT and an OT then! SALT used to come in to do speech therapy with him at my request in reception, I think that stopped at the end of year one. I didn't realise they helped with communication aswell, well not until I started using this site anyway. What would they do to help him and can I get them school to have them in for him? Can an OT come to school or does he go to them, I need to sort that out too. Christ I may as well become an ed ###### psyc myself at this rate! AT my last parent meeting of year 3 in July his teacher said she was trying to get funding for him to have a lap top because his writing is so slow and spelling so bad, they seem to have forgotten that too! I'll do another post about homework in a mo I think! I thought things would start to get easier once he had the diagnosis but I didn't allow forhis new teacher to be te "oh he's been fine" type. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kazzen161 Report post Posted October 12, 2008 Targets are supposed to be SMART: Specific Measurable Achievable Relevant Timed They should also specify who will help and how. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cat Report post Posted October 12, 2008 Targets are supposed to be SMART: Specific Measurable Achievable Relevant Timed They should also specify who will help and how. And Kazen says it best of all and in a lot less words Cat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
julieann Report post Posted October 13, 2008 I received my son's IEP from school on Friday, he is on school action plus. He dosn't have a statement but the school are supposed to be sorting it out at the moment, I asked them to apply for stat assessment in July.......... This is what is in his IEP, could you tell me if this is what you have or are they just typing randum things just to say they have done it!........ Hi Sooze 2 , My understanding of an IEP is that it is meant to consist of three achievable tasks. Julieann Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chris54 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 Hi Out son is on SA+ Hopefully soon to have a statement. The IEP has always been talked through with us to some degree before we sigh it.If you are not happy with it don't sigh it. I think it is to be remembered that these are targets, but I would agree there seems little point in having targets that are not achievable to some degree.I cant comment on the targets quoted but they do seem inappropriate. It also needs to be remembered that if a child is making satisfactory progress under SA+ then there is no need for a statement (in the eyes of the LEA). As our sons SENCO said "When the EP come we need to make things look as bad as possible to get the best outcome" or words to that effect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diane Report post Posted October 13, 2008 Our son is SA+ and the last IEP I had was April 2008 They wrote the he has to: Maintain attendance of at lleast 90% (My son cannot manage even 25% with out a lot of support) Use envelope system to avoid getting into trouble. Have asked a million times for teacher to recognise whn he is not coping and give him a break as he will not realise that is what he needs) To listen and remain focused in lessons ( they are having a laugh ) To achieve a spelling age of 10 (He is already gone beyond this) What school are doing: Weekly Literacy workshops are available on Wednesday instead of French (He has never been) LSA support is available in a range of curriculum areas. (?????????) What they want us as parents to do: Parents to monitor Log book and let us know if there are problems etc. (it would help if the teachers actually wrote in it.) As far as I am concerned it is all a load of rubbish and not realistic at all. I am going to ask school today for acopy of his most recent IEP. :lol: I could with a laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sooze2 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 Speech and language support via provision of a communication programme to home and school - Time allocation - on going support from speech and language teem - he was discharged from them a couple of years ago! Well well well, it seems they do just make it up as they go along. He was discharged from Speech and Language on 06/10/06 almost exactly 2 years ago. I just found the letter. Being a hoarder and never throwing anything away has it's advantages doesn't it. I don't know why I have got such a bee in my bonnet about this but I think its because I know now that they aren't being quite as pro active as I thought and as they are making out to be. I'm very annoyed about it. Probably making more of it than I should be but all my kids will be supported by me 100% (my parents didn't support me emotionally and I vowed that wouldn't happen to mine) and I feel very angry that they are lying to me. Sorry if I am being annoying now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diane Report post Posted October 13, 2008 I do not think you are being annoying. what is annoying and more is that schools produce these IEPs as at least on paper it looks as if they are doing everything that they can but the reality is quite different. Thank you for posting about your childs IEP as it has motivated me to get our DS's sorted so that it is realistic and achievable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flora Report post Posted October 13, 2008 I'm sure that together we could create a coffee table type book on 'humerous' IEP's. Ben had one a couple of years ago which said something like: 'To achieve age appropriate levels in numeracy and literacy' ... That was it... no indication of HOW !! Flora Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chris54 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 Hi All I seem to be the odd one out here as I have never had any issues with my sons IEP. Chris. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mossgrove Report post Posted October 13, 2008 Just before we pulled our eldest child out of mainstream we were finally shown his IEPs. On several of the pages they had forgotten to tippex out the name of the last boy that they had give precisely the same IEP's to! It turned out they had a set of Aspergers IEPs that they duly photocopied and gave out as required. This is probably a lot more common than you think! Simon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sooze2 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 Just before we pulled our eldest child out of mainstream we were finally shown his IEPs. On several of the pages they had forgotten to tippex out the name of the last boy that they had give precisely the same IEP's to! It turned out they had a set of Aspergers IEPs that they duly photocopied and gave out as required. This is probably a lot more common than you think! Simon OMG! That is outrageous! How can they get away with things like that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chris54 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 If you really think that they, the school, are using identical IEP for a number of children then report it to the authority ,OFSTED, who will go into the school and investigate your concerns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cat Report post Posted October 13, 2008 Well well well, it seems they do just make it up as they go along. He was discharged from Speech and Language on 06/10/06 almost exactly 2 years ago. I just found the letter. Being a hoarder and never throwing anything away has it's advantages doesn't it. I don't know why I have got such a bee in my bonnet about this but I think its because I know now that they aren't being quite as pro active as I thought and as they are making out to be. I'm very annoyed about it. Probably making more of it than I should be but all my kids will be supported by me 100% (my parents didn't support me emotionally and I vowed that wouldn't happen to mine) and I feel very angry that they are lying to me. Sorry if I am being annoying now. Hi Sooze My argument here would be that if Speech and Language are not actively involved with your son you fail to see how your son is ever going to meet the targets in his IEP. I would also be asking for some emotional literacy work to be done with your son via an ASD specialist and of course some input from an OT. My betting is that without a statement you wont be able to access any of these things School have got to be able to prove that they have accessed outside agencies like SALT, OT and Ed Psy before a statement will be issued. If nothing else applying for a statement would either make them get their act together of it would show the school up for what they are Cat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sooze2 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 If you really think that they, the school, are using identical IEP for a number of children then report it to the authority ,OFSTED, who will go into the school and investigate your concerns. I don't think my school is doing that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stardust Report post Posted October 13, 2008 My son has had his very first IEP from a home tutor - (((wait for it!!!))) 1. To be ready when the tutor arrives 2. To not use the computer until instructed to do so 3. To manage at least 3 pieces of handwritten work a week. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chris54 Report post Posted October 14, 2008 Hi all Sooze2, I didn't mean your case in particular, I would just say that if anyone has any concerns about their school and are not getting satisfactory answers from the school or council education department, to contact OFSTED who have the power to go into a school with no notice and demand to see records and whatever they think is necessary to investigate a complaint. Stardust. You will have to expand a bit, what is the point you are making. Not knowing the situation, what you quote could be a reasonable set of targets. Chris. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pepper Report post Posted October 14, 2008 from a personal point of view (and its casual observation) methinks that probably matches my sons.....for the past 6 years!! I can only recommend you go in, have a meeting and shake them out of their complacency - as i think its a typical text book answer SENCO's copy from ! lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
