illy Report post Posted March 20, 2007 Hi everyone, sorry it has been a while, family troubles, etc Anyway i am probably being cheeky with asking a question, and i hope you dont mind I saw a doctor yesterday about Anthony,(6 years old) He said that Anthony cant have Asperger because he had (Still has) speach problems! Why cant he? couldnt he have asperger but have a speech problem on top as well. He said he may have High Functioning Autism, because of the speech problems! totally confused, i know i am lol. He wants to do an IQ test on him, to see whethter he is high functioning. He also said it could be PDD NOS as it may be a combination?! is this right. Also that he may have ODD so what do you think Thanks in advance If you have ay ideas please let me know Hugs illy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
V1971 Report post Posted March 20, 2007 Yeah, the general idea is that if you also have speech delay then you are ASD, not Aspergers. My son is the same, in fact I asked the very same question here a couple of months ago! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
baddad Report post Posted March 20, 2007 Speech delay is one of the specific differences between diagnostic criteria... Speech delay = ASD, no delay = AS... TBH it's all academic, really.. As somebody said (Baron Cohen, I think?) The only difference is the spelling... The main thing the professionals should be doing is looking at the child's individual problems and responding to them appropriately, rather than basing interventions on perceived wisdom and tick boxes. This one does seem to be looking at all the angles, so that's a huge plus for your son... ODD - impossible to comment on your son specifically, but it is often a 'co-morbid' of autistic spectrum disorders, along with lots of other 'D's'! Hope that's helpful L&P BD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoolieDoolie Report post Posted March 20, 2007 Both AS and high functioning autism are terms bounded about but meaning the same - my son's diagnosis is high functioning autism (he is 5 yrs), but he the term Asperger's Syndrome is also used (by non-medical people) to describe him. As a plus, apparently if you have the word "autism" in the diagnosis then you are more likely to get funding in education (Statement), so I am told ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cat Report post Posted March 20, 2007 TBH it's all academic, really.. As somebody said (Baron Cohen, I think?) The only difference is the spelling... Tony Attwood said it actually Can I just add that Aspergers is also and ASD. ASD is an umbrella term for anyone who fulfils the criteria for the Triad of Impairments. Both autism and Aspergers share the same triad so they are 'both' ASDs. If there was a delay in speech then the dx should be High Functioning Autism (if the child is high functioning) If there was no delay on speech then it's Aspergers Syndrome. Cat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peppa Report post Posted March 20, 2007 DD was given diagnosis of HFA but had no speech delay in fact it was very early, however she has language understanding problems, assessment starts tomorrow. I was confused by this and asked consultant why this diagnosis as apposed to aspergers and he said in his opinion they are pretty much the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
curra Report post Posted March 20, 2007 The National Autistic Society defines Asperger's syndrome as " a form of autism, a condition that affects the way a person communicates and relates to others. A number of traits of autism are common to Asperger syndrome including difficulty in social relationships, difficulty in communicating, limitations in imagination and creative play." ASD, or autistic spectrum disorder, includes asperger's syndrome. Some people make no distinction between high functioning autism and AS while others say that the difference is that chidlren with AS have no delay in language development. Curra Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aro Report post Posted March 20, 2007 The Diagnostic criteris is "no clinically significant delay" in language, this would still allow for mild languge delays, particularly in social communication areas. It also gives the example of 2 words by 2 years and simple 3 word phrases by 3yrs. Doesn't mention receptive skills! A x Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jayne Report post Posted March 20, 2007 hi all, my son Louis was diagnosed PDD - NOS and i was told the reason why is because the main reason was his speech delay (struggles to pronounce words correctly) and he doesnt meet the complete 3 triads. Hope that helps Jayne x Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JsMum Report post Posted March 20, 2007 Glad someone has put this up again as I have in the past asked NAS what are the differences and as J did have difficulties with prenouncing words and programming them into sentences I had always known he couldnt have AS!??? but J has all his speech now and still can struggle with forming sentences together but a Consultant we saw that evaluated J said he has all the symptoms of Aspergers Syndrome, it was communicated to school and they agree he shows a lot of the signs of AS but I have shared the fact that J has had speech and language therapy when he was 6 which was three years late so there was a bit of work to do as he had got use to his own style of communicating, we even used sign language for certain objects because in his early days his behaviour was so violent when he became too frustrated when he couldnt actually make it clear what his needs where. the speech and language team discharged him 2 years ago saying all his speech was now at a level that was more prenouncable and said his main difficulties are down to memory and attentional deficits. J is awaiting for a decision to be made for a full investigation because in the past many things have been put down to all his diagnosis below but everyone is very worried about his interaction difficulties, and his understanding of language. It could be J has HFA, just or Autism, and in some professionals views Aspergers Syndrome but its very confusing so I just say he is somewhere on the Autistic Spectrum and he has suspected ASD until I am told otherwise. Its all Autism itsnt it ? JsMum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noetic Report post Posted March 20, 2007 Speech problems are often due to Dyspraxia, which is common on the autistic spectrum as a whole, and often associated with AS. I tend to feel like I am more HFA than AS as well though because I had more speech and communication issues, but also in general because my understanding of language is far behind my expressive abilities. My PIQ is only slightly lower than my verbal IQ because my attention is so bad, spatial IQ is my best ability for example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karen A Report post Posted March 21, 2007 Hi everyone, sorry it has been a while, family troubles, etc Anyway i am probably being cheeky with asking a question, and i hope you dont mind I saw a doctor yesterday about Anthony,(6 years old) He said that Anthony cant have Asperger because he had (Still has) speach problems! Why cant he? couldnt he have asperger but have a speech problem on top as well. He said he may have High Functioning Autism, because of the speech problems! totally confused, i know i am lol. He wants to do an IQ test on him, to see whethter he is high functioning. He also said it could be PDD NOS as it may be a combination?! is this right. Also that he may have ODD so what do you think Thanks in advance If you have ay ideas please let me know Hugs illy Hi It partly depends on what the speach problem is.If the problem a delay in language development then as others have said the Dx is more likely to be ASD.However children can have other speach problems that are not related to ASD and have a Dx of AS. Ben has dysfluency[stammer] but would be Dx AS because his general vocabulary has always been advanced. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hedders Report post Posted March 21, 2007 Dypraxia could that also be classed as apraxia of speech i read somewhere the some AS can also have apraxia of speech. How do proffessionals or SALT tell if a child has Apraxia of Speech Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
illy Report post Posted March 21, 2007 He was slow to speak, and when he did start talking ti was very hard to understand, He also siad alot of words backwards, he has had a stutter for quite some time and still does. His vocabulary is overall good, but quite often says alot by just repeating what he hears on tv etc Hugs illy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karen A Report post Posted March 21, 2007 Hi I think you need to ask for a specialist SALT assessment if he has not had one.A stutter is a different issue to AS/ASD type difficulties but the doctor may not have sufficient knowledge to assess the speach issues.Karen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fiorelli Report post Posted March 21, 2007 Louis had speech delay as a toddler, the only things he would say were Ahhh, Bob, Mum until he was around 3 years old. When he went to nursery, his speech came on, but he was referred to SALT, who discharged him because of his progress. Even now, at 8 1/2 years old, I still have people look at me/ask me to interpret/tell them what he has just said, as although he has good speech now, his pronounciation isn't so great sometimes. His DX is actually ASD-Asperger Syndrome, ADHD, Specific Learning Difficulties, Mild Unilateral Hearing Loss, (and Deficit of Attention, Motor Control and Perception if you take into account the report from the [same] Paed who saw Louis the year before DX'ing the above) I personally think that they are one and the same of the same thing IYKWIM. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noetic Report post Posted March 21, 2007 He was slow to speak, and when he did start talking ti was very hard to understand, He also siad alot of words backwards, he has had a stutter for quite some time and still does. His vocabulary is overall good, but quite often says alot by just repeating what he hears on tv etc Hugs illy That does sound more HFA than AS - when you say "says words backwards", do you mean he actually reversed the words (e.g. hand = dnah etc.) or he swapped words around in sentences? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlp Report post Posted March 21, 2007 (edited) Our diagnosis is actually Asperger syndrome / HFA and the report says they are unable to say which as due to the slight speech difficulties G had at 3. He was referred for an assessment, we refused. It wasn't explained what this would involve or why and not knowing better at that time we said 'no his speech is fine' (which it was in what we knew of speech problems then - he was speaking and using lots of words). We went to 2 assessment sessions which G hated and was generally uncooperative so that didn't help, I was hugely pregnant and struggling to control him in the session and didn't warm to the therapist who didn't seem to acknowledge his problems with sitting still, attention etc. When we finally agreed, we spent years on the waiting list (punishment for being uncooperative?) he'd all ready been diagnosed and the only problems mentioned were speaking too fast and the 'sh', 'sss' and 'th' sounds. Professionals do tend to say G can be unclear as he speaks so fast and / or mumbles. I tend to use whatever 'diagnosis' suits me best at the time - usually 'Aspergers' for people with a bit of knowledge, professionals etc and 'autism' for people who haven't got a clue. Edited March 21, 2007 by jlp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
illy Report post Posted March 21, 2007 He used to say the words backward eg - Rob - Bob, so a bit different - Dog - god, counted his numbers backwards, but couldnt d them forward, He used to say he wanted to go upstairs, when he was there already, Inside for ouside. Hugs illy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noetic Report post Posted March 22, 2007 He used to say the words backward eg - Rob - Bob, so a bit different - Dog - god, counted his numbers backwards, but couldnt d them forward, He used to say he wanted to go upstairs, when he was there already, Inside for ouside. I used to do that a lot (aside from the counting - for some reason I always mix up 7 and 8 when counting backwards from 10), that's my biggest memory as far as speaking is concerned as a child - I struggled immensely in remembering the order of syllables in words, and while I didn't struggle at all with telling left from right, I still mix up things like horizontal and vertical etc. when speaking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
butterfingersbimbo Report post Posted March 22, 2007 el still mixes up her he/she's and mum/dad phrases..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tisha Report post Posted April 1, 2008 When I was diagnosed, it was the fact that my language development was fine that helped them decide it was Asperger Syndrome and not another ASD. Not to be confused with being mute, which just means that although the language ability has developed normally, the child does not speak. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
biff Report post Posted April 3, 2008 el still mixes up her he/she's and mum/dad phrases..... My little Boy mixes up he and she, more so when talking about his friends at school. That is one of the questions on the questionnaire I have been given, He is 5 and he still does it occasionally, is this an Aspergers thing? It used to drive me mad I didn't realise until today when I read through those questions that it bore any relevance I just kind of ignored at and kept correcting him. Feel pretty bad now like I could have been more understanding about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
