I've looked at another school for T

[Cariad]

T has been in a school which mixes EDB and ASD children together for a year now. I've made quite a few posts at how unhappy we are with the school. Now he is being used as a punchbag everyday, especially by another boy who has EDB problems. So far he has been strangled, punched in the face, spat on, tripped up, had the chair moved from underneath him, punched in the neck, pinched, bitten and scrammed.. and kicked in the head.

 

This school was the only one available as the one we went for (tribunal) was full, they said if we dropped the tribunal we could have this other school which wasn't ideal but there was nothing out there for him. So today the "new" autism school has now been build and is up and running and perfect.

 

So where do we go from here as there is only a few spaces, my SW wants us to go for the "full" school which is silly really

 

Apart from logging the assaults and taking pictures of the bruises what else do we do to get T from this school to the new one? The fees are more or less the same..

[something_different]

I am not really sure on how to 'fight' to get the correct placement for your son.

 

Though i do think its silly to have an EBD and ASD specific school. As they each have very different needs, most ASD children would have difficulties and problems sharing a school with EBD children. I really hope that you manage to get him into another school.

 

If you are trying to prove its the 'wrong' place for him by logging all his assaults, is it worth saying if his work has sufferd as a result, and his anxieties etc.

[chris54]

Have you reported these assaults to the police , they certainly sound serious to me and should be investigated.

[JsMum]

So far he has been strangled, punched in the face, spat on, tripped up, had the chair moved from underneath him, punched in the neck, pinched, bitten and scrammed.. and kicked in the head.

 

It certainly doesnt sound like a very safe enviroment and like chris has said I would want to file assualt charges, as they sound hurrendous!

 

I would certainly of removed Jay from such a cruel existance why are the staff not providing more care and supervision for the other EBD child, cant the staff intervene when a child is aggressive and voilent.

 

Im pleased you have found another school, as for changing school, you request a change to part 4 on his statement.

 

JsMum

Edited October 23, 2008 by JsMum

[Enid]

My lad has a lovely bruise on his cheek from a punch at his EBD school, a few weeks ago I was sent a letter telling me he had been assaulted and the school were taking the matter seriously and were excluding the boy for 6 days, I too am looking for another school, DS says they are all "chavs" at his school, hope that dosnt offend anyone, he has a horror of looking like a chav and dresses smartly, dosnt endear him to other pupils Enid

[Cariad]

My lad has a lovely bruise on his cheek from a punch at his EBD school, a few weeks ago I was sent a letter telling me he had been assaulted and the school were taking the matter seriously and were excluding the boy for 6 days, I too am looking for another school, DS says they are all "chavs" at his school, hope that dosnt offend anyone, he has a horror of looking like a chav and dresses smartly, dosnt endear him to other pupils Enid

 

LOL hoodies and Chavs all the way here, also amazingly colourful language which even makes me blush oh and gallons of spit to be spat out..lovely eh?

 

I so hear you Enid!!

[soraya]

My son Nick went to an EBD school as there was no where else and he found it really tough, the other kids took the mickey out of him all the time which made Nick react in a violent way. He now goes to a 14plus unit at our local college and to start with had all the same problems as the kids were also from the local PRU unit, but the colege has been fantastic and he now goes in with the 16year olds who have had to retake GCSE. This has been great as he is now away from the EBD kids and is with more mature kids who want to learn. We have learnt from bitter experience that you cannot mix EBD and ASD kids together. The only reason that the EBD schools take our kids is because of the bad behaviour due their needs not being met in the first place!!!What a crazy system

[JsMum]

Im getting a little uncomfortable with the discriptions here about EBD and ASD, especially as my son who was described as ADHD for many years first and had many of his needs unmet and unsupported ment a lot of parents made judgemental comments about his orful behaviour and my orful parenting, add on top a single mother, then I have no chance of meeting or making friends with the other parents,

 

This school was a very strict roman catholic school and many children had both parents, many strict, that to be honest would of made Js behaviours worse, he continued to display EBD behaviour and had little support, his statement didnt come until another two school changes and area move,

 

Even with support his behaviour sprilled to violent, aggressive and disruptive behaviour, he has complex needs, both Emotional and certainly behavioural, but he also has severe social and communicational problems, he requires a very different aproach in management, many of which you dont get in a Spersific EBD school or mainstream school,

 

management is the key to how you deal with children with a mix profile, do it wrong and the consequences are massive, but in the right enviroment and with the right aproaches individual to the child, you may get a positive result.

 

Also What might work with one EBD child might not work with another EBD child, what might work with an ASD child might not work with another ASD child, there all individuals but with similair behaviours.

 

Also to bare in mind is that in our local EBD school where there is some pretty hurrendous behaviour, there is a percentage of boys in there with undiagnosed ASDs, or Aspergers Syndrome, there behaviour is a reaction to the stress that got them labled EBD and clearly their needs are still not been met because of inapropriate support and over time, their behaviour masks the real issues.

 

My son has Both emotional and Behavioural needs and both Social and Communicational needs, he would not suit a EBD school or a spersific AS school, he required a specialist provision that could meet all his needs.

 

I just wanted to even out the EBD distinguished lable, As Jay has a statement that clearly states, BESD and I wouldnt like judgement made on him and If I hadnt of fighted to get him in a school spersific to his needs he could of ended up in a local EBD school but has needs in both catorgies, EBD and ASDs, but not getting his needs met, like many other boys placed in the same situation as Jay, EBD kids still require there needs been met as well as identifying other needs too.

 

JsMum

 

Edited October 25, 2008 by JsMum

[Cariad]

Jsmum, I can understand where you are coming from. T has other DX's apart from ASD and I know for a fact they put T in this school saying he had behavioural problems. The only behavioural problems he has was being in the wrong school through his primary years. The LEA have been underhanded (as usual) and got us to drop the tribunal if they gave us this mixed EBD/ASD provision or to "Stay home". What we went for was an ASD school but it was full, so we won, but even now there are no places.

 

Now I've been told we can't appeal as we dropped the tribunal, so I have a long fight on my hands yet again. I'll write a letter to the LEA and ask for Part 4 to be changed and have to wait up to 4 weeks for it to go to panel. I know they will say no and it upsets me, I will send in the photo's of T and all the bruising and events and dates of these assaults. I have to get him away from there as he is going downhill fast!

 

 

[Canopus]

We have learnt from bitter experience that you cannot mix EBD and ASD kids together. The only reason that the EBD schools take our kids is because of the bad behaviour due their needs not being met in the first place!!!What a crazy system

 

I can second this. EBD schools are generally violent places and kids with ASD are likely to be regularly bullied there.

 

[Cariad]

Our case has been to panel (which is fast seeing as I gave the letter in by hand last Monday) and they have said NO! A letter will be through basically saying NO in the next few days..

 

Where do I go from here? I will ask for a meeting and will bring the evidence with photo's of his bruises and ask the school for a backlog of his injuries also and I will record T saying how he feels as he really isn't happy there..

 

What are our rights? I hate all this!

[mossgrove]

What is it that you have asked for?

 

At this juncture it may be prudent to ask for an emergency review of his placement under his current statement as you feel that his current placement is unable to met his needs.

 

Simon

[Cariad]

What is it that you have asked for?

 

At this juncture it may be prudent to ask for an emergency review of his placement under his current statement as you feel that his current placement is unable to met his needs.

 

Simon

 

We applied for an ASD specific school, we didn't get the one we wanted as it was full. We got told you can drop the appeal and have **** school which is ASD but includes EDB or stay at home and not have a school! A school has since been built which wasn't there at the time which is perfect! We have been there and are very pleased.

 

We want T to be moved there as we aren't happy with the current one as stated above.

 

[Kazzen161]

I presume when you get the letter it will tell you why they have refused to move him. You then need to get evidence to show that their reasons are wrong.

[Cariad]

I presume when you get the letter it will tell you why they have refused to move him. You then need to get evidence to show that their reasons are wrong.

 

Thanks Kazzen, I've got a fair bit of evidence.. Fingers crossed eh!