indiscreet Report post Posted April 2, 2012 Well its nice to see you around - there's quite a few people who were around a lot when I first joined - and quite a few seem to have disappeared lately - maybe they lurk too lol I've noticed this too. I think some come on the board with a specific query - or worry - and after that's been discussed lurk and only post again when something specific catches their attention. I don't know; I just think this is maybe what happens. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A-S warrior Report post Posted April 2, 2012 just a quick question to throw out there, how many of you consider yourself creative and innovative? if you say no im going to question you about your hobbies and interests. and weed out that side of you (unless you really dont have it of course lol) this is just for fun, no judging. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkshine Report post Posted April 2, 2012 I'd say yeah but no Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A-S warrior Report post Posted April 2, 2012 I'd say yeah but no well your a closed book anyway, we dont even know if your a man or a woman. or how old you are. but going by your posts im going to attempt a quess. your a 23 year old male, studdying physioligy at university. you work a part time job at morrisons and live in wales. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkshine Report post Posted April 2, 2012 Ok a more "open" answer then... I'd say yeah, I'm creative and innovate - I can create stuff, I can think of ingenious practical solutions for things and I'm willing to test and re-test until I've found a viable solution. I'd say no because the skills I have are not reliable, my mood is all over the place which makes it difficult to stay in more positive mind-frames. And because of the agoraphobia issues I don't get "out there" enough to test my abilities either, which also effects the reliability factor. Of course I am assuming you think you are a creative and innovative individual but why do you think so? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A-S warrior Report post Posted April 2, 2012 Ok a more "open" answer then... I'd say yeah, I'm creative and innovate - I can create stuff, I can think of ingenious practical solutions for things and I'm willing to test and re-test until I've found a viable solution. I'd say no because the skills I have are not reliable, my mood is all over the place which makes it difficult to stay in more positive mind-frames. And because of the agoraphobia issues I don't get "out there" enough to test my abilities either, which also effects the reliability factor. Of course I am assuming you think you are a creative and innovative individual but why do you think so? because i think so far outside the box i cant even see the box, and im seeing if a pattern forms here. i just belive that pepole with a-s are really the only hope the world has got, because the avarage person is a selfish, materrialistic, money grabbing, spiteful, cold hearted and self centred fat waste of space. we are pepole that use our brains for good to change the world, though we are not consciously aware we are doing it. you see we see the world as it actully is, the average person cant see past there own selfish narrow minds. i think my post may of put more pepole off awnsering my question but freedom of speach and all that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkshine Report post Posted April 3, 2012 It might put some people off lol - or it might make someone come here and go rar rah rar about it. I understand the point your making though - I'm actually not sure that I agree - BUT - I can't say I disagree either so its a stalemate from me tonight Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A-S warrior Report post Posted April 3, 2012 It might put some people off lol - or it might make someone come here and go rar rah rar about it. I understand the point your making though - I'm actually not sure that I agree - BUT - I can't say I disagree either so its a stalemate from me tonight im getting there, you were the first person to reply to my first topic and you,ve been a tough one. but a stalemate means im getting ever closer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkshine Report post Posted April 3, 2012 That means you'll probably win - whenever I play chess I start brilliantly, I confound the other player with my random moves, and then..... It all falls apart at the end Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A-S warrior Report post Posted April 3, 2012 That means you'll probably win - whenever I play chess I start brilliantly, I confound the other player with my random moves, and then..... It all falls apart at the end im calm patient and methodical, like a coiled up viper stalking his pray ready to strike, lol nah i just have alot of patience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkshine Report post Posted April 3, 2012 And I have very little patience (which is why I keep trying to work on improving my patience skills) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A-S warrior Report post Posted April 4, 2012 ah ha! now its getting interesting, a site that sees aspergers the way i do. i shall cut and paste the info below, Focus Your ability to focus on one objective over long periods of time without becoming distracted allows you to accomplish large and challenging tasks. Unique Global Insights Your ability to find novel connections among multi-disciplinary facts and ideas allows you to create new, coherent, and meaningful insights that others would not have reached without you. Independent Thinking Your willingness to consider unpopular or unusual possibilities generates new options and opportunities and can pave the way for others. Internal Motivation Rather than being swayed by social convention, other's opinions, social pressure or fears, you can hold firm to your own purpose. Your unique ideas can thrive, despite naysayers Attention To Detail Your ability to remember and process minute details without getting lost or overwhelmed gives you a distinct advantage when solving complex problems. 3-Dimensional Thinking Your ability to utilize 3-dimensional visioning gives you a unique perspective when designing and creating solutions. Cutting Through The Smoke Screen Your ability to recognize and speak the truth that is being "conveniently" ignored by others can be vital to the success of a project or endeavor. Logical Decision Making Your ability to make logical and rational decisions and stick to your course of action without being swayed by impulse or emotional reactions allows you to navigate successfully through difficult situations without being pulled off-course. this is now 2 opinions not just 1. im sure darkshine will have a field day flicking through these. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkshine Report post Posted April 4, 2012 I had a brief field trip flicking through them - and I so nearly bit the bullet and wrote out my protests - but I have the excuse of the time, it has been a long day and I've already decided to use my brain power elsewhere mwah ha ha ha (maybe later) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A-S warrior Report post Posted April 4, 2012 darkshine is on the ropes, can he/she pull it back? A-S warrior has the advantage! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkshine Report post Posted April 4, 2012 Alright then Focus Your ability to focus on one objective over long periods of time without becoming distracted allows you to accomplish large and challenging tasks. This happens sometimes for me - I wish that it applied to my exam revision, where every time I pick up my books I become highly distracted and daunted by the large and challenging task Unique Global Insights Your ability to find novel connections among multi-disciplinary facts and ideas allows you to create new, coherent, and meaningful insights that others would not have reached without you. Yep - totally me Independent Thinking Your willingness to consider unpopular or unusual possibilities generates new options and opportunities and can pave the way for others. Me again Internal Motivation Rather than being swayed by social convention, other's opinions, social pressure or fears, you can hold firm to your own purpose. Your unique ideas can thrive, despite naysayers Me Attention To Detail Your ability to remember and process minute details without getting lost or overwhelmed gives you a distinct advantage when solving complex problems. Why, its another one that describes..... me 3-Dimensional Thinking Your ability to utilize 3-dimensional visioning gives you a unique perspective when designing and creating solutions. I'm incredible Cutting Through The Smoke Screen Your ability to recognize and speak the truth that is being "conveniently" ignored by others can be vital to the success of a project or endeavor. I'm like a ninja when I cut through that smoke Logical Decision Making Your ability to make logical and rational decisions and stick to your course of action without being swayed by impulse or emotional reactions allows you to navigate successfully through difficult situations without being pulled off-course. I'm so logial I do actually think that a lot of that applies to me - but my point of contention is that they don't happen for large parts of my time - they happen in snatched glimpses - and quite often I just keep my opinions to myself because some of my in-depth opinions would confuse and annoy people. So yeah, I have those skills/assets but I have very little control over them and there's no situation where I can particularly make good use of them - basically these kinds of things are generally for my own personal amusement. But all those things, right here and right now do not help me with the crucial revision that I need/want and have to do. They also don't help me advance in life when I have other problems that aren't AS. I guess I just don't see the positives.... not today anyway - feel free to keep trying though.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LancsLad Report post Posted April 4, 2012 A-S Warrior just read through #92 and would say I fit the description very well and others would support me in this, likewise I could give many practical examples from my life to support the statements. What I will say that in my experience whilst many people in influential positions would see these as positives, life very rarely plays out that way. All too often people have found this type of approach to be too much of a challenge as it is a contrast and as such reflects strongly on their own modes of opperandum. The difficulty therefore for anyone with these traits is to get into positions where you can exert your influence. I have had to go through life up against the establishment. I have always has a philosophy that your best chance of success is in answering everyones objections to your ideas. Even then when you might be getting close to swaying opinions people will simply hold back their objections believing you have the answers as the only way of reserving their control. I have personally developed ground breaking projects, which have won awards at concept levels only to have them ditched at the last minute as a result of back room politics. I support a lot of what you are trying to say in these threads but having these traits can be highly frustrating in real life scenarios. For the time being I have chosen to respect I have these abilities and work on my own design concepts as to be honest a lot of the time I don't have the energy to fight the battles which need to be fought in dealing with large organisations filled with individuals who in no way share these ideals, traits and abilities. Just a few thoughts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A-S warrior Report post Posted April 4, 2012 Alright then Focus Your ability to focus on one objective over long periods of time without becoming distracted allows you to accomplish large and challenging tasks. This happens sometimes for me - I wish that it applied to my exam revision, where every time I pick up my books I become highly distracted and daunted by the large and challenging task Unique Global Insights Your ability to find novel connections among multi-disciplinary facts and ideas allows you to create new, coherent, and meaningful insights that others would not have reached without you. Yep - totally me Independent Thinking Your willingness to consider unpopular or unusual possibilities generates new options and opportunities and can pave the way for others. Me again Internal Motivation Rather than being swayed by social convention, other's opinions, social pressure or fears, you can hold firm to your own purpose. Your unique ideas can thrive, despite naysayers Me Attention To Detail Your ability to remember and process minute details without getting lost or overwhelmed gives you a distinct advantage when solving complex problems. Why, its another one that describes..... me 3-Dimensional Thinking Your ability to utilize 3-dimensional visioning gives you a unique perspective when designing and creating solutions. I'm incredible Cutting Through The Smoke Screen Your ability to recognize and speak the truth that is being "conveniently" ignored by others can be vital to the success of a project or endeavor. I'm like a ninja when I cut through that smoke Logical Decision Making Your ability to make logical and rational decisions and stick to your course of action without being swayed by impulse or emotional reactions allows you to navigate successfully through difficult situations without being pulled off-course. I'm so logial I do actually think that a lot of that applies to me - but my point of contention is that they don't happen for large parts of my time - they happen in snatched glimpses - and quite often I just keep my opinions to myself because some of my in-depth opinions would confuse and annoy people. So yeah, I have those skills/assets but I have very little control over them and there's no situation where I can particularly make good use of them - basically these kinds of things are generally for my own personal amusement. But all those things, right here and right now do not help me with the crucial revision that I need/want and have to do. They also don't help me advance in life when I have other problems that aren't AS. I guess I just don't see the positives.... not today anyway - feel free to keep trying though.... i love how you,ve agreed with me all the way through and then at the end stuck the knife in, your such a wind up lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A-S warrior Report post Posted April 4, 2012 at the end of the day ima keep doing my thing, i just layed down the facts. its up to you to learn how to apply these things in real life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkshine Report post Posted April 5, 2012 i love how you,ve agreed with me all the way through and then at the end stuck the knife in, your such a wind up lol Brilliant approach wasn't it at the end of the day ima keep doing my thing, i just layed down the facts. its up to you to learn how to apply these things in real life. Good for you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A-S warrior Report post Posted April 5, 2012 if i would of known about you when i joined, i would of named myself lightshine. the light of goodness takes on darkshine, the dark light of evil and negativity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkshine Report post Posted April 5, 2012 Lightshine doesn't sound as good - its like a double positive so it seems too airy fairy - my name however is cool because the opposites confuse young warriors like you. I'm older and my battles have been long, I don't shine like you, you are young and idealistic, you believe you can change the world, I was once a bit like you, its just that my road led me somewhere else, I'm lost in the wilderness in comparison while you, you are standing on a hill surveying your lands. Even so, I applaud your belief and I wish you well, because no matter how much of a miserable SOB I am - I can still manage to have a bit of hope left - and I truly hope you can keep as much of the you that exists now as possible, and that the world doesn't grind you down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A-S warrior Report post Posted April 5, 2012 Lightshine doesn't sound as good - its like a double positive so it seems too airy fairy - my name however is cool because the opposites confuse young warriors like you. I'm older and my battles have been long, I don't shine like you, you are young and idealistic, you believe you can change the world, I was once a bit like you, its just that my road led me somewhere else, I'm lost in the wilderness in comparison while you, you are standing on a hill surveying your lands. Even so, I applaud your belief and I wish you well, because no matter how much of a miserable SOB I am - I can still manage to have a bit of hope left - and I truly hope you can keep as much of the you that exists now as possible, and that the world doesn't grind you down. wow, so much hot air, im amazed your not floating away. ive been trough my negative phase, it passed when i dropped my ego and became humble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A-S warrior Report post Posted April 5, 2012 ahha! would you look at that, 103 replys, ive been through the list and this is the longest topic in 8 years, in this section of the forum. woooooop woooooop! ya darkshine no one likes a show off be humble like me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkshine Report post Posted April 5, 2012 Ahem - I was being sincere!!! And maybe a little patronising - but in a sincere way Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A-S warrior Report post Posted April 5, 2012 Ahem - I was being sincere!!! And maybe very patronising and being slightly ageist there you go i fixed that for you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkshine Report post Posted April 5, 2012 (edited) there you go - I totally admire and respect you Thank you Edited April 5, 2012 by darkshine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A-S warrior Report post Posted April 5, 2012 ok ok, time for the troll police to shut this down, i dont want another good thread to be locked due to an internet war. back on topic pepole! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkshine Report post Posted April 5, 2012 Just messin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A-S warrior Report post Posted April 10, 2012 dedication for ones hoobys, i ran out of time in the gym tonight, i had one more exersise to do. it was a leg session and i really wanted to to that last exersise to really fry my quads, so i was like hmmmmm. went out to the car park grabed onto a lamp post and did sissy squats (no there not the type of squats your immagoning you have to be really bendy and flexable to do them). it was dark pouring with rain and pepole were stairing at me and passing judgement. i was just thinking to myself, well you dont have the pump in your quads that ive got you fat lazy pepole. i get very big headed during a workout as ones testosterone levels rocket up and it makes you a jerk, im all earthly and humble after 20 or so mins so its all good. anyway this can transulate into other hobbys for an a-s sufferer, you wont quit until your satisfied, so with this trate that most on here seem to have, is it safe to say that this is a huge advantage compaired to the average person? most non a-s sufferes i know always chicken out of most things and say ahhhh i,ll just i,ll call it a day and have a beer. or ahhhh pack up the telescope i cant find any stars tonight i think i,ll have a beer. or mmmmmm ive been working to hard today i wont go to chess club tonight i,ll just stay at home and have a beer. see but with a-s pepole we always put hobbies first and not give up on any given day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A-S warrior Report post Posted May 25, 2012 weather im possitive about a-s or not, the heat on the south coast is pissing me off at the moment, i cant stop sweating. i was in spain last year with 40 degree heat but it feels hotter here for some reason. i think the beach awaits for me this weekend, wowza its hot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LancsLad Report post Posted May 25, 2012 A-S Warrior you need to get out in it and do some work and your body will become accustomed to it. Might be a sign you are not that fit, lol. I have been more than happy going out for 4 hours plus sessions in the hills burning around 3,500 calories a session in the last few days. All that mucscle might look good next to my skinny arms and pigeon chest but its one heck of a lot of insulation when the summer comes around. The change in weather has been great, only downside is that the stupid tan lines are developing well. If this keeps up for another week it might be time to shave my legs and break out the body oil. Best wishes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robert7111a Report post Posted May 25, 2012 I'm on the fence with this one. I understand that some people find AS to be a gift whilst others see it as a disability - and certainly some get very angry about their condition Whilst I'm afraid I cannot agree with you A-S Warrior that it is a gift, I do agree that many AS sufferers are "gifted" with one or more talents. Personally, I find my AS to be wholly a frustration and a barrier to life because I do not have the ability to socialise and make friends. I used to yearn for friends but gave up in my 30s when no one would look at me. And of course then - I had never heard of AS. Like Darkshine, I cannot share things, I am very possessive with my things and know exactly where things are (usually...). I suppose in some ways, its a good thing I don't have friends because there is nobody to ask me to lend something. I like to pursue my hobby alone because I need to concentrate on the task in hand and other people around me would be a distraction. Often, I only get one chance to snap something. I would consider this to be a gift in the sense that I focus strongly and have dedication in my hobby but others might find it frustrating if I ignore them or feel they are a hindrance. A bit self-centred perhaps? While I admire your enthusiam A-S Warrior, I'm afraid I cannot be as enthusiastic. Why would I be enthusiastic about not being able to make friends? I would love somebody to go out with occasionally but guess I'm a bit late for that now. I only have one true friend and that is my wife who has stood by my oddities. But I am glad I discovered the condition and use what I learn to help me in my job (which involves talking and helping people day in, day out. I cannot avoid making eye-contact. Again, it's my job to look at people and I tell them how important it is to make eye contact when they are listening. So I can't help but look at people. At least I can get away with it in my job. I never really knew how to show empathy but it's also my job to show it and I would be out of a job if I didn't. So am I gifted in this respect? I certainly don't think I have any special talents. I used to be good at music when at school and have tried to self teach myself an instrument. But I can never finish anything, it's not like having a mental block, but rather coming up against a brick wall. I have a few musical compositions written years ago that I just cannot finish. I cannot co-ordinate my hands playing music so never really learnt an instrument properly. I suppose the only things I was ever good at was French and getting dirty looks from girls if I so much as glanced at them. I don't have supreme intelligence and certainly have difficulty learning most things unless I take a personal interest in the subject. I really enjoy your posts A-S Warrior, in many ways they are refreshing and make me think. But there are many angry/frustrated people on this forum. How do you motivate them? There is no point me being angry about not being diagnosed as a kid because the condition was virtually unheard of them. I suppose I was just so frustrated about not having a social life at school/college or a girlfriend. But I can certainly understand the anger and frustration shown on this forum when I read people's experiences from the "professionals" who are meant to be helping them (...not!). There certainly seems to be no support out there. I certainly will never fully understand the condition as it has so many "faces". I can't begin to understand how some suffers even get through the day. I suppose in many ways, it is related to depression. Once you are in that downward spiral, how do you get out? Having this forum is fantastic! I too am relatively new to this forum and just beginning to learn the flavours from its members. I belong to other (non-related) forums too and they are certainly good sounding boards. I am beginning to realise that there are many sensitive people on here (or many people with sensitive issues) and there will always be somebody who will be riled by this comment and that. But can't we all be grown-ups and have sensible debates without shooting people down in flames? There are many good people on here and I'm always interested to hear their views and learn. So as you like challenges A-S Warrior, I'm going to set you one. How does one join and attend a face-to-face support group without having the social skills to communicate and without feeling acute anxiety/panic attacks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkshine Report post Posted May 25, 2012 Hear hear Robert - that was well said - much better put than I could ever put it - and some really excellent questions too! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robert7111a Report post Posted May 25, 2012 Thank you Darkshine... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LancsLad Report post Posted May 25, 2012 Robert, very good post, I was particualarly interested in your last question about face to face support groups. Following my own diagnosis whilst I was away from home at university I was involved for a short time in a group of individials all of whom had AS apart from the organiser who was a professional working in the sector. I personally found being part of the group very helpfull. The point I want to make is we were all very different in how we opperated int he group. Some people were quite vocal, and some hardly ever said a word. Some were quite relaxed whilst others were highly anxious and agitaded. Some were calm and others were very angry. At the end of the day we all shared something and as such could all learn off each other even if this was simply being in the same room together for an hour each week. If you can find a support group Robert then simply go and be yourself because that is a very valuable thing to do. If this means being a bit uncomfortable, awkward and not knowing what to say and do be confident that you are making a very important contributuion to the group by showing to others what AS means to you. Best wishes always enjoy your comments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A-S warrior Report post Posted May 25, 2012 well, as asperger sufferers, we have life harder, but it just means we have more to achive. i started this topic some 400 posts ago, and have since learned alot about other pepole, BUT i still stand my all of my posts. from looking back on my life (all 21 years and 3 quaters of it) all my problems i took on one by one. if it was a problem i couldnt solve then i would just try and turn it into a positive. i too do not thrive in groups, im not a pepole person at all, i go to the gym at 10 at night, i train for the most part alone, and i dont talk an awful lot apart from when im on the bench and im about to press a 100kg bar, i,ll just say yo! can i get a spot?. but i do cope well in groups, i wont choose to have a regular group of friends but i will have pepole who i socialise with when i feel like it. the reason im do so well with pepole is because i took a leap of faith many years ago,i said to myself, i have to at least try, its like jumping into a swimming pool, the cold shocks you at first, but soon enough it warms up and becomes comftable. what im saying is, nothing comes easy to you if you dont practice jumping into that pool and becominng acustom to that shock. i,ll direct you too my signture, read that and think about it. panic attacks are not really my specialty, i do suffer from them when i see a large amount of blood or pepole talk about infections and things, im a complete slut to my panic attacks, when one comes on, im its ###### all i can do is run out of were i am and hyperventilate. but i quess thats an issue i need to go toe to toe with and try and beat it. maybe take my own advice? maybe take another leap of faith? perhaps if it doesnt mean that much to me i,ll find an excuse? i think i need to jump in to that cold pool again. im certainly not a guru, but i do still think aspergers is a gift to me. even a subru imprezza needs a service every so few miles, so i dont get disheartend by my weak points. in summery rob, all i can say is keep practising at devoloping your weak points, this has been a terrible post lol maybe i felt like i was on stage, i crack under pressure. but i hope i have in someway awnserd part of your question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robert7111a Report post Posted May 25, 2012 Thanks LancsLad, I'm so glad I found this forum and this is a good enough support group for me. You and everyone are so open which is just how it should be. Guess in a face-to-face group, I'd probably be one of the quiet ones... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A-S warrior Report post Posted May 25, 2012 i thought that spammer was back, i had 3 new posts while i was typing lol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robert7111a Report post Posted May 25, 2012 I jumped into a cold pool a few times in my teens and nearly drowned...having epilepsy then didn't help... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A-S warrior Report post Posted May 25, 2012 I jumped into a cold pool a few times in my teens and nearly drowned...having epilepsy then didn't help... one abiltiy for a-s pepole, they all seem to have fast comebacks, your as stubborn as that japanesse kid lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
