nvapid Report post Posted December 15, 2005 I have my very sneaky reasons for asking... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flora Report post Posted December 15, 2005 I asked for a copy 2 and a half weeks ago and the HT went puce, said in a not very nice voice 'well it won't be today, we are far too busy' and I said...'that's fine next week will do'.... Still haven't got it yet. You've reminded me, I'll ask them again today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zemanski Report post Posted December 15, 2005 I'm a teacher so I had access anyway Z Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nellie Report post Posted December 15, 2005 I'm interested in the results of this poll. This information should be freely available on the LEA websites under the Freedom of Information Act. It's often there but not easily found, it might be hidden within another document. Someone has mentioned to me that having a Criteria for Statutory Assessment is in itself a blanket policy. Nellie xx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
call me jaded Report post Posted December 15, 2005 I have asked and asked. They are being redrafted, were supposed to be online during our recent SEN consultation exercise. I'm still waiting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
annie Report post Posted December 15, 2005 Our's is on our LEA's website, but as Nellie has said it is very well hidden Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zemanski Report post Posted December 15, 2005 the criteria were up on our LEAs website last time I looked but it was really difficult to get to them - I actually had to go through the freedom of information link and then do a document search for SEN ('SEN criteria' didn't work) and then search through lists of SEN documents Zemanski Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kathryn Report post Posted December 16, 2005 I couldn't find this document on the LEA website either. I wasn't even aware there was such a thing - it wasn't mentioned in the parents guide to statutory assessment or in the LEA information session I went to. I only became aware of it when the LEA ed psych mentioned it in passing. She asked me which category I had used when applying for the statutory assessment under and I said "what?" She said there are different criteria for autism and EBD and showed me her copy. I got a copy of the criteria from parent partnership when I was preparing our appeal back in January. It angers me that this wasn't freely available, had I known about it I would have approached the statutory assessment request quite differently. I feel this lack of information is deliberate - parents are not encouraged to give more than the briefest and most general description of their child's difficulties when requesting a statutory assessment. The panel members skim through this evidence, with their list of criteria in front of them, ticking all the boxes which happen to fit. (An LEA official told me this). No wonder so many parental requests for assessment fail. I was actually told by a SENCO acquaintance who sits on these panels that I might have succeeded in my request first time round had I applied under EBD criteria. WHAT??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Helen Report post Posted December 17, 2005 Nvapid, I didn't vote - I've never asked to see the criteria. I've checked out my LEA's website but I couldn't find the criteria, perhaps I haven't searched hard enough. BUT your poll will lead me to ask about the criteria when I attend the next multi-professional meeting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pim Report post Posted December 17, 2005 Hi, I didn't look on the LEA website, but I was shown the criteria by the Head Teacher as it had just changed to have a seperate heading for Autism and the parent partnership sent me a copy of it, without me asking for that specific document. I was happy I saw it as I was just doing the CARS assessment with Autistis Advisor and I became aware that DS needed to have a certain minimum score. pim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hectorshouse Report post Posted December 17, 2005 ... hmmm this has got me digging again, can't find anything on the DCC website, went through same process as Z as well, still couldn't find anything, found other stuff though bit out of date .. but might be useful for research purposes ... I need a better digger than me ... I would love to know what DCC's criteria is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nellie Report post Posted December 17, 2005 HH, It's usually hidden with other policies. Ours is in the SEN handbook which you can access on their site. Ask PP to find it on the website, it will be interesting to hear what they say. Nellie xx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hectorshouse Report post Posted December 17, 2005 Hi Nellie, unfortunately PP won't talk to me, ever since he told me that I should be grateful for the banding T got as many parents he know have been trying to get even a statement would be grateful of anything, also after I spoke to my SEN officers gatekeeper it became startling clear that a conversation that I thought was confidential with my PP had been relayed to her and that I was to stop being so pushy (or words to that effect). And since the transport issue came up (since resolved) he hasn't returned any of my calls. HH = top awkward parent avoid at all costs communication unless absolutely necessary. .... HH slinking away and back to digging on the website. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nellie Report post Posted December 17, 2005 unfortunately PP won't talk to me, HH, Well well! Another reason for complaint!!! They have a legal duty to provide parents with information on SEN. If you left a message asking for a copy of the criteria and they didn't return your call, you could make a complaint and include his inappropriate remarks for good measure! Nellie xx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hectorshouse Report post Posted December 17, 2005 Thanks Nellie, I will do this and I shall email him my request as well, and wait and see ... HHxx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiley Report post Posted December 17, 2005 Hmmmmmmmm, I'm interested in this one as well. I've hunted around for the Hants criteria - no luck so far. Think i might put a nice, friendly e-mail into the PP lady Ps - If anyone knows where the Hants one is - leme know! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nellie Report post Posted December 18, 2005 Page 13, Section 55 of the following document gives details about the legal requirement to provide SEN information on LEA websites. http://www.ace-ed.org.uk/news/docs/Educati...ponse-final.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UltraMum Report post Posted December 19, 2005 I asked and they insited that such a document didn't exist - until I quoted the stuff at the back of the code of practice to them - it then took two weeks and I was sent a draft copy ... I think I had them on the run for a bit ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smallworld Report post Posted December 19, 2005 Ha, that explains why I couldn't find it on the website ! Do you think the 'draft copy' was just that, drafted to reply to your request ??? I amused myself looking at the inclusion newsletters, the most recent being 2003 ! wac Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LKS Report post Posted December 20, 2005 nvapid same LEA as annies. Had to look long and hard though. Sometimes I ended up back where I started! Smileymab. Once had a friend in Hants has gone off to NZ now. She was always going through the Hants stuff. She was the person who first showed me how the funding for certain statements would change and how schools would be expected to make better use of their money by teaching the sen kids together. It also said how they did not expect this information to be shared with parents or carers. This was obviously guaranteed to wind certain parents up as they had found the info on the website. I think we will find that most LEAs criteria for stat.ass. is probably illegal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nevinclan Report post Posted December 20, 2005 Thank you for making me aware that such a policy existed. I emailed the head of the county Sen dept and she emailed it to me. DS school also didn't have a copy as they are in our neighbouring county, so it has been a great help to them as well, especially as we hope to put in the request for stat ass early next term. Thanks Mary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiley Report post Posted December 20, 2005 LKS - Hmmmmmm interesting. There are three children in M's class who have ASD's, one diagnosed dyslexic, (and i'm guessing one other ASD - Mum not to keen to persue dx). Have got the impression they've lumped the lot together... and a new laptop with interactive white board has gone up in the classroom.... Anyhow! I've been hunting the elusive criteria down...In the end, i asked the PP lady direct (she's none too helpful). She emailed me with a list of six different areas... There are different sets of criteria for different needs but I think that you may need one or possibly two of the following: Behaviour, emotional and social difficulties Learning difficulties Physical difficulties Social Communication impairment / autistic spectrum Specific learning difficulties - dyslexia Speech language and communication difficulties Look forward to receiving your request - Feels that i will need only two books....... Is this the criterai - is it split up into seperate books? Or is she talking out of her bottom?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fiorelli Report post Posted December 20, 2005 Smiley.... SEN criteria folder ?6.00 per booklet or ?32.50 for complete folder/set Folder containing 16 booklets to clarify the level and range of needs for which statutory assessment/admission to specialist provision is considered appropriate. (issued December 2000, updates September 2003, September 2004 and September 2005). Booklets are available for download from the Intranet This is taken from here: http://www.hants.gov.uk/TC/inclusion/schlist.html 7th item from the bottom. hope it helps! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiley Report post Posted December 20, 2005 32 'f'in pounds!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Surely they're not allowed to charge for that!!!!!!!!!!!! Nellie!? Phasmid?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nellie Report post Posted December 20, 2005 Smiley, No they are not!!!! The information should be freely available on their website. The Code of Practice has four broad classiciations of special educational needs. Communication and interaction Cognition and learning. Behaviour, emotional and social development. Sensory and/or physical needs Your LEA could have their own interpretation of this. Feels that i will need only two books Interesting. I don't supposed she directed you to where it is on the website. You could try asking the LEA SEN department, as you are unable to find it on the website. Keep us posted. Nellie xx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phasmid Report post Posted December 20, 2005 I dont think they can do this. I'm going to go check it for sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nellie Report post Posted December 20, 2005 It's worth trying to get in touch with IPSEA. They will be able to tell you how to proceed with this and may be interested in hearing your predicament. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiley Report post Posted December 20, 2005 (edited) Thank you guys - Not sure if i should laugh or cry...... Think i may start a punch up instead! I did reply to email and listed all the reasons why i want each book - as i feel they apply to M. Doubt i'll get them though. I want it, and need it, tempted to buy the bloomin' thing - but why should i! AAaarrggghhh - Count to ten Smiley........ Will contact IPSEA Nellie - again, think they're getting sick of my voice!! Edited December 20, 2005 by smileymab Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fiorelli Report post Posted December 20, 2005 That was exactly my opinion Smiley when I first read it a few weeks ago. It would be interesting to have the publication, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna pay ?32.50 for something they can just print off their intranet for less than ?1!!! I wouldn't be happy just getting 1 or 2 booklets, I'd want the whole lot (just in case they have 'hidden' anything - besides, the website doesn't tell you what booklets correspond to what, so how are you supposed to know if you only need 1 booklet or 16!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phasmid Report post Posted December 20, 2005 What you're looking for can be found here: http://www.hants.gov.uk/education/departme...ndex.php?pid=16 Free of charge. Look under I. This information is supposed to be freely available on their website. I KNOW I have a quote somewhere to back this up. Hopefully those inclusion links I have found will provide you with the policies they are using. If not I'll ###### ring them for you and ask for them. This information is supposed to be freely available on their website. I KNOW I have a quote somewhere to back this up. Hopefully those inclusion links I have found will provide you with the policies they are using. If not I'll ###### ring them for you and ask for them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiley Report post Posted December 20, 2005 Phasmid - it's just asking for me to log in - "Log in to the intranet User name / DfES no or school " If your names not down..........ya not gettin' in Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fiorelli Report post Posted December 20, 2005 Phasmid, as far as I can make out, that link is just about Inclusion. It has nothing in there about Criteria for Assessment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiley Report post Posted December 20, 2005 Scroll down abit hun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fiorelli Report post Posted December 20, 2005 Just looked at the SEN bit, and it comes up with this link: http://www.education.hants.gov.uk/login.ph...ria%2Findex.php Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phasmid Report post Posted December 20, 2005 I can get round this. One of you please pm with a schools name and address. I've e-mailed them and asked for a copy. I'll see what response I get from them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fiorelli Report post Posted December 20, 2005 I've PM's you with my son' s school and address Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiley Report post Posted December 20, 2005 Same here xx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phasmid Report post Posted December 20, 2005 Ok. I'll go and see what I can do. Maybe a while. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phasmid Report post Posted December 20, 2005 (edited) Hmm, that didn't work so resorting to other ways. Found the following which might help (I'm still looking through it): SEN strategy Found this: Hampshire County Council This is good: SEN policy If you scroll to the bottom of the page it states: 4. SEN Action Plan The SEN Action Plan is available to anyone on request and is maintained on a termly basis. Whole bunch of links from here Inclusion policy: here ...more: Inclusion policy (2001) and the review of the same from this year is here! FOUND THIS!!! SEN information The last one is very useful. I hope these help. Edited December 20, 2005 by phasmid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiley Report post Posted December 20, 2005 Thank you for finding that Phas <'> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites