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Neda I don't agree with you mum.I don't believe nuturing cures all problems.Some things cannot be fixed in this way.

Sorry just to add if you have children on the spectrum then it can sometimes be the case if you look back through the family there are other family members with it as well.

That sounds a bit like ocd to me as well although there could be as traits there the two often run together.Be careful how you approch this with him if you are going to.Certainly people with As find it very difficult to talk about fellings and emotions and from things I have read can get quite agressive about emotions.

So Tim Burton is suspected undiagnosed Aspie then.I wonder what he thinks of his wife Helena Bonham-Carter realising Anothe rone to join the list.More claims to fame.

Liz Yes your right.At first she was misdiagnosed with something called ''Heller's Syndrome'' which is basically late onset autism which is what they thought.Then once she began to recover which they had not expected the diagnosis was changed to autistic encephalitus with a predicted full recovery but anything left after two years would stay. After two years there was nothing left apart from she can't sing a fast pop song.I have since read that people who have sufferd brain injury and infection for some reason fine it difficult to sing a really fast pop song. In the scheme of things I think it is nothing compared to what could have been. I have to say that i am almost certain I have mild aspergers or asperger tendancies so I am not sure if genetically she was at risk.We have dxylexia running on my husbands side of the family and I know there is talk of adding dsylexia to theASD spectrum so I don't know if this helped either. We saw a genetist at the time and they said it was likely genetics played a part but because of personal reasons at that time they couldnt go back through anyone on my father's side of the family including my father.So it was left inconclusive. At the time I didn't know enough about AS to realise I had it. Anyway at the end of the day I thank my lucky stars. We since went on to have a little boy who is now 3 and a half and appers completely N.T. Anyway thanks for your knowledge.It's appreciated.

Hidden Gem Thank you.I will look at that.I believe encephalitus is quite common but I think Autistic encephalitus is quite rare.Certainly the paediatrician who saw my daughter who was nere retirement age said in all his years of working.He personally had never come across another case.However he said that one of his fellow peadiatricians had a case of a little boy who had developed autistic encephalitus but had not yet made a full recovery.Weather he ever did or not I dont know. I think viral infections of the brain are surprisingly not as rare as one would think but Autistic encephalitus is very rare but not unheard of. It was the measels part of the triple vaccination that caused the encephalitus.The specialists worked this out due to how much time delay there was before she began showing autistic symptoms. One of the side effects of measels itself is encephalitus, so guess it makes sense really. Thanks anyway.

Laine Just out of interest have you seen anyone with Autistic encephalitus or just encephalitus. I have never known of any other cases or of anyone recovering completely like she did.Thanks for your help on this one.I have read from an article someone posted on here that it does exsist. Yes it was awful.It was after her mmr booster.She was autistic for six months severely and then she made a complete recovery.She is nine now and this happened when she was four. Trouble is it's the flashbacks and the panic attacks.they are lessening but some weeks are worst than otheres. But I know I have nothing to complain about compared to the parents on this forum and my heart goes out to all of them.I've been there I know how difficult and heartbreaking it can be. Yes she loves her dancing, her school and her friends that is her life and she is so lucky to have it.

Hi David Welcome to the forum.The things you have mentioned do sound like A.S. traits but your best bet if you feel you need a diagnosis depending on how much you are affected would be to go to your G.P and take it from there.Over intense eye contact or struggling to maintain eye contact can be a symptom of aspergers and i believe many people with Aspergers like you said are clumsey.But your best bet would be to read the posts here on this website which is brilliant.Take your time.There are lots of adults on this forum who either suspect or have been diagnosed with A.S.THeres a wealth of knowledge and support on here.

My daughter walked on her toes when she was ill with autistic encephalitus.I think it is fairly common with kids on the spctrum.She dances on her toes for ballet now and stupidly it still causes me to have flashbacks and to shudder

Good on you Kerre But many people with A.S. don't

Karen Many many people with As are extraodinarily clever in many areas.I passed my 11 plus with ease but it was decided not to send me to grammer school because i wouldn't be able to cope with the amount of work I would have to do because I was a worrier and it was felt my anxiety levels would go through the roof.Also because of my need for perfectionism I wouldn't have been able to cope with not being top of the class it would have worried me. I like lots of people with As fell down badly when it came to maths.No idea whatsoever. But what got me through the 11plus and Olevels as they were in my day Was my memory.Anything where you had to memorise dates large chunks of texts e.g. history, religious education etc etc, english literature I was way ahead. English language because of my reading ability and my vivid imagination enabling me to make up stories easily and well I was way ahead. So yes in lots of areas someone with As often comes across as very clever but my extreme shyness, my anixety, my communication difficlties and general social difficulties in many ways held me back.I was also in many ways thinking about in now always quite young for my age(I think this is common with people with A.S.) So to conclude yes some people with A.S. are fairly clever but their communication, social and emotional and anixiety difficulties nearly always hold them back.

I think from what I understand Christmas can be a stressful time for lots(but not all) people with A.s..The change of routine, the mess and chaos, the inevitable socialising, the extreme emotions often on show.All in all can be a bit of a nightmare. I have mild A.S. and cope with christmas fairly well I think but I am always glad when it's over and we can get back to normal And yes i have a tree and decorations up but cant wait to take them down

Sending some of these to you all <'> <'> <'> <'> It must br heartbreaking to watch your kids suffering like this. Fortunately when my daughter was autistic she was only four so I don't think the kids were old enough to realise and also they knew her before she had her autistic encephaltus. Some of them would say 'why doesnt R speak any more?' 'doesn't she like me any more, doesn't she want to be my friend?' etc etc Comments like that practically broke my heart but I was determined no one at the playschool was going to see me cry I would wait until I got in doors shut the door and promptly burst into tears.

Thanks will try and remember to watch that.

I am a perfectionist but then I have OCD. I am sure I am very annoying to live with. Hubbie must have the patience of a saint.

I don't understand jokes and often take things literally.Guess that might mean I have A.S. Aspergers is definately not a result of bad parenting.But someone like me who has had a disrupted childhood for want of a better word will be a combination of things.There will be bits about me that are due to my upbringing but bits about me that are due to my AS They are both parts of the equation going together to make the full and often not very nice picture I love routine as well.Guess I might have aspergers then. Like the article stated the A.S. is not to do with upbringing but genetics

Thanks Brook That will provide helpful to lots of people.There are many myths floating about regarding aspergers and i am sure many people will learn things they didn't know reading your link. For me personally( not that I am saying I know everything because I don't)It confirmed the things I knew but very interesting reading. People with aspergers can and do have immaginations and it is not to do with how they are brought up but to do with genetics.These things I agree with.

This came up briefly in another thread so thought I would start a new thread on it. I have read and heard of cases that someone can't get a diagnosis of Aspergers because they have imagination. But I have also read that people with Aspergers can and do have plenty of imagination so much so they have difficulty distingusishing between what is theur imagination and what is reality, I thought the problems they have with imagination is the ability to imagine what someone else might be feeling. Any thoughts comments on this one would be appreciated. Thanks

I dont need to get tipsy to talk non stop without pausing for breath

Exactly Tux A.S. is a spectrum disorder and we are all individuals. Well put

Well done William.That was beautifully expressed I too think it would help to show this to the school. Many many people with A.S. including me find it much easier to write down feelings and emotions and what they want to say as they are often unable to express things verbally. Well done William

I have mild A.S. and I talk in my sleep all the time.When I was a child my dad could ask me maths sums in my sleep and I would give him the answer the right one .I also have vivid dreams and scream and shout out according to my husband anyway.When I was very young my mum took me to the doctors because she was fed up of the disturbed nights.He said that my mind wasn't able to switch off there was no off switch so perhaps this is the problem with your kids. Having siad all this I had quite a desruptive childhood for want of a better word so maybe this added to it as well. As people are very highly strung so I guess that adds to it all hope this helps.

Just to add if there were more people like you about who held up their hands and said I know nothing about A.S. but I want to learn and be supportive then the world would be a far better place.There is so much ignorance about ASD it's untrue. I fully admit I don't know everything which is why I come on here to learn and understand. Das you have my upmost admiration for your love and support for your girlfriend and your willingness to learn and your acceptance for what she is. <'> <'> <'>

Hi Helen Welcome to the forum.You will find this forum a friendly fair and supportive one. Nice to meet you

Hi Opooh Welcome to the forum Just wanted to say as far as I know you can have immagination and still have A.S. I think what is impaired is the ability to imagine how someone might be feeling. I am sure this is the case but hopefully if I am wrong Nellie or Mossgrove who know far more than me will come along and correct me Anyway welcome to you and all the other newbies <'> <'> <'>