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nellie Report post Posted March 5, 2005 Carole, this is one of the worst things I have heard. I would think that this is abuse. Can you find out which policy this is? Ask to see it. I have to say I am totally shocked. Nellie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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barefoot wend Report post Posted March 5, 2005 Carole I am truly disgusted! I am pleased to hear you are investigating. Words fail me! Barefoot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denise2 Report post Posted March 5, 2005 My family read this and are totally horrified. My husband works with adults with learning difficulties and has never heard of such a policy. Just out of curiosity who are AIM? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kathryn Report post Posted March 5, 2005 Completely speechless. Which newspaper are you going to contact first? K Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
helenl53 Report post Posted March 5, 2005 Hi Carole, Words absolutely fail me!!! What a barbaric bunch of low life scum we have dealing with our kids. If you did this to a dog - there would be a huge outcry - why are we allowing this to happen to some of the most vulnerable people in our society. Please, please let it not be true!!! HelenL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Helen Report post Posted March 5, 2005 (edited) Carole, I'm horrified... When I worked as an LSA, I had to read some charter or other (sorry I can't remember the name of it) about 'abusive situations' in the school setting. What I do remember is, whenever a child is embarrassed or humiliated by a teacher in front of the child's peers or any adult, this would constitute a form of abuse. I suggest you contact the Social Services department over this matter. You could also telephone Childline: 0800 1111 http://www.childline.org.uk/AboutChildLine.asp Edited March 5, 2005 by Helen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Helen Report post Posted March 5, 2005 Forgot the say the charter had been issued by the Social Services Department. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericho Report post Posted March 5, 2005 I don't see how it can possibly be legal. Does this LEA have a similar policy in its mainstream schools? If not then this is surely blatant discrimination against children with disabilities. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bid Report post Posted March 5, 2005 Carole, You must keep us updated on this one! Restraint does sometimes need to be used, but the usual guidelines are extremely clear that it is only used to ensure the safety of the child or others. The absolute minimum restraint technique should be used by trained staff, for the absolute minimum length of time. I can't begin to see how this 'policy' follows any of these guidelines I'm guessing the 'thinking' behind this is that some children can make themselves sick or spit as part of challenging behaviour...but I'm still speechless that this should be considered a suitable approach. If it was my child I would not only be contacting national papers, I would also be taking legal advice Bid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Suze Report post Posted March 5, 2005 My blood has run cold , this is shocking, my son vomits a lot due to a sensitivity to smells, whatever the reasons or circumstances this is criminal.Please keep in touch and let us know the outcome. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katkin Report post Posted March 5, 2005 I am speechless!!!!!!! Is this a Victorian workhouse???? I cannot believe that this can be allowed to happen. I know some children make thomselves sick as part of their behavoiur problems but I have never heard of such barbaric treatment. All the schools and residential places i have worked have very specific guidelines and restraints, if there are any, for each child. Thes are also told to the parents at the child's review. And these are not to be broken at the risk of you losing your job. So if it has been written in a care plan a child can have a two person escort then you would not perform a supine hold on that one. In hampshire the guidelines have just been tightened further to say that a child cannot be held in a room, even a "space room" with the door held shut, it must be open at all times. Even the use of rhino pads is restricted, does mean that the staff come in for a bit of a bashing sometimes but.. If any body did that to my child i rather think said vomit, or worse, would be flung by me at the head's head!!! Let us know what happens, Kat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
helenl53 Report post Posted March 5, 2005 Hi All I am still feeling nauseated by reading this - it has made me ashamed to be part of the human race. Katkin, I know you are a professional working (or not!) with our kids and there is hope when people like you care for our kids. Best wishes Helen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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smallworld Report post Posted March 5, 2005 Carole. I feel as Helen does, please tell me that once this is confirmed that the story will be going to the national press/tv news ? It makes me wonder what else may go on in schools that we parents don't know about. I can't see how this practice would possibly be legal simply from a medical point of view. I am totally shocked by this, wac Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirstie Report post Posted March 5, 2005 My God, what sort of people are in charge of making such policies?! Who are these people?!! I bet the child (and every other who has suffered this horrific abuse at the hand of these animals) was completely traumatised. Poor baby, i am so close to tears just thinking about it. It frightens me so much, my boy is due to start all of the transitional visits etc when he starts his Unit. Up here in Edinburgh (I'm unsure of techniques used elsewhere) the teachers are trained in CALMS. My Mums cousin works in a special school and shes shown me one or two of the techniques they use and are trained in. I felt it was more caring and comforting way of calming the child without being too invasive, so i felt quite relieved at that, but this just knocks the wind out of you........ I hope you nail the rotten pigs, keep us posted. Love Kirstie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katkin Report post Posted March 6, 2005 Carole, thanks for your further information. I'm not sure if the bit you wrote about it not being an asd school comforts me though. it should not happen anywhere - mainstream, mld,sld,as or independant!!!! I hope the parents took photos of the clothes and the child when he came home? As to knowing you have to clear up your own mess; surely a mop and bucket would do??? On a lighter note a lad i worked with just loved to clean. He would make himself sick to get the mop and clean clothes!! So then we just used to clean it up ourselves in a very low key fashion and he got his clean clothes just handed to him. But he was allowed to always clean the dining table and hoover up the sitting room so got a reward for good behaviour. This is not rocket science it's practical common sense there can be no need under any circumstances to smear a child with vomit. I woud be very interested to read this policy accepted by the lea. Please be assured that there are people working with asd children who are just as horified by this as parents. I will ask at school on monday if anybody has ever heard of this happening. love Kat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericho Report post Posted March 6, 2005 So he was 'only' rolled in bile! Well that obviously makes it all okay then, eh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danny Report post Posted March 6, 2005 Hi,disgusted with this,I would imagine unless the parents had been given,read and signed any restraint policies(which would have to include everything),which is doubtful if this was just a transitional visit.I would be contacting the Dfee,presuming this school is approved if not the governing body through a solicitor,I hope the lad is ok.I hope someone is supporting the family through this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest flutter Report post Posted March 6, 2005 (edited) i cannot see how any school could have this policy i am mortified, that this could happen, whether it is a chosen behaviour or not. I would assume that a policy that would include some differnet form of restraint would have to make a point of showing it to parents, because surely this is abuse?? http://www.teachernet.gov.uk/teachingineng...tail.cfm?id=226 Edited March 6, 2005 by flutter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kerre Report post Posted March 6, 2005 That is FOUL and HORRIBULOUS. Really. How the hell can anyone do that? Especially when the person involved has an ASD... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tess Report post Posted March 6, 2005 I am as disgusted as all other replies have indicated.could you not inform the Disability rights commission, or something this is so appauling, the poor child and mum. Tess Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loulou Report post Posted March 6, 2005 This is really shocking, what type of school was it? EBD? My son is due to start a new school (EBD) soon, and i'm feeling REALLY anxious about it now. Something has to be done to protect these vulnerable children. Loulou x Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rabbit Report post Posted March 6, 2005 What planet are these people from???????? Research has shown that rubbing a puppies nose in its own excrement will make the puppy anxious and result in the puppy developing a need to eats its own feaces. The RSPCA will remove animals from their carers if the animal has been subjected to this style of behavior management. and yet these so called professionals deem it appropriate for a child to have his/her face rubbed in their own vomit.....to me thats abuse and must suely be against a childs Human Rights. and I feel sickened just thinking about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drift Report post Posted March 6, 2005 Too shocked, angry and horrified to write anything drift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kathryn Report post Posted March 6, 2005 I'm amazed that this should happen to a child who is just visiting - what does that say about their treatment of the other pupils? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lyns Report post Posted March 7, 2005 I dont think I better say anything else - words fail me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
asereht Report post Posted March 7, 2005 Sorry I'm lost for words!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katkin Report post Posted March 10, 2005 Bumped this up a bit to see if there's any more news??? Also to say that we read this thread in the staffroom and all were universally horrified that such a thing could happen. Nobody had ever heard of any lea approving such a plan or even of hearing of anybody suggesting it as a course of action. best wishes Kat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alibaly Report post Posted October 10, 2005 I was having a wee browse, came across this thread, and wonder what the eventual outcome was. I'm really hoping it was all a big mistake because it is truly awful, I'm shocked to my core. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisann Report post Posted October 10, 2005 Totally disgusted this can't be legal these kids are supposed to be in special school to give them a better start in life.What gives anyone the right to abuse a child/young person this deffently needs taking higher. lisa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
streamdreams Report post Posted October 10, 2005 (edited) I shuder to think what would have happended it that happened to me, I certainly would not have been responcible for my own actions. I can not believe that this is any thng other chan child abuse, If you cnat smach a child you certainly can do that. this is one ofr NAS, disabled rights, the Child abuse folks, and probaly the police J Edited October 10, 2005 by streamdreams Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaisyProudfoot Report post Posted October 10, 2005 Shocked Despicable - I didn't know this still went on in this day and age And that's a policy! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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phasmid Report post Posted October 10, 2005 The child in question has now transfered to an ASD Specialist School - paid for by their LEA - without a fight I may add Says it all really Carole Not entirely. I have been left feeling physically sick after reading this. This is truly abhorent. Please tell us if the parents persued this to the point that the LEA have changed this vile policy. God forbid there is still an LEA out there that is doing this. ###### - this would be an assault anywhere else! If any of my children returned home covered in their own vomit I would be livid (I'd have expected the school to offer them a change of clothing at least). To discover they had been made to roll in it and THEN sent home - Jobs would be lost over it (quite possibly mine as well as theirs!). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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phasmid Report post Posted October 10, 2005 (edited) If I did that at work I'd be out on my backside so ruddy fast I wouldn't know about it until I landed! If I was told to enforce such a policy I'd be asking to see it. Whoever's name was on it could expect grief - I'd whistleblow. LONG AND HARD!!! I would not, could not, follow it. The disgust I feel about this cannot be put into words...I can't even get close. Thank god they got him out of their clutches. Pity you can't 'name and shame'. Evil, twisted b*st*rds. (There would have been about a million 'bashers and thumpers' if the board settings had let me post them.) Edited October 10, 2005 by phasmid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smallworld Report post Posted October 10, 2005 Trouble is with whistleblowers that they're a bit like messengers, they get shot !! I hope that if I was this situation that I would start , and then cope with the false personal accusations /closing ranks etc. that would follow. wac Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
